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Old 03-18-2008, 03:24 PM   #12 (permalink)
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We may need to suffer a while longer...stew in the juices of the mess that was made before we'd feel right having someone fight on our behalf. It is like a 12-step program -- first we must admit that we had a problem and accept responsibility for having supported what caused it.

Even then, there will be snake oil salesmen to beware of. That was what they said about Edwards, dismissing out of hand his life experience as a clever ploy. He either did not seem real of was not offering anything people thought they needed.

I'm concerned that the snake oil salesmen will be a little more fascist than before. Having fulfilled most of the similarities between now and nazi Germany we lack only one which all studies indicate is the final requirement that must be fulfilled, a crisis. Bush has worked hard for 7 years to serve one up and his timing is impeccable.

Sorry for my tangents but I'm in the middle of Chris Hedges American Fascists which has led me to the works of Hannah Arendt and Karl Popper. All of this has happened before and there is a lot to be learned from it. They have thoroughly convinced me of how fragile open societies are. The enemies almost always come from within while pointing to enemies inside and outside our borders.

We're in bad need of deciding just who the bad guys are and of what the real facts of how we have come to this point are rather than the ones we hear from this accident of a president we now have.

There are forces at play inside our borders and we still have not arrived at any clear understanding of the need to elect someone who will stand up to them. As we start to pay for not heeding the warning signs we should realize that there are more we haven't yet noticed. We need to find someone really smart this time. I'd suggest doing it during the period at which those who led us this far are still clining to false and disproven myths. Soon enough they will change their tunes, displace all blame and start talking about how hard it is going to be. By then we will have forgotten who was who in the catastrophe.
nice post.....don't worry about tangents...lol! (I have been on one for 2days.) I was so mad earlier because my aunt who has been pinching pennies for years called my mother crying worried about her pension. This is a salt of the earth type of person, she never spent more than she had ...worked hard and did everything she was supposed do. She missed about 3 days of work in 30 years. She didn't understand her investmests fully, but thankfully her advisor had moved a large portion over to cash about 11 months ago. My mother confirmed this. (It's her sister). Turns out her retirement is still mostly intact. This man is now on the christmas card list

the thought of these corporate whoring, greedy, america destroying neocon fucks, ruining my aunts retirement...put me in a tailspin. (Also realizing that this would effect millions of others as well, all middle class.. of course)

she got up everyday and worked for a corporation...
Oh the Irony.

I have got my panties out of a twist, but am no longer giving any credence to what any "free market saves us all" ignorant asshole has to say.

If they believe in Capitalism, they ought to read what the father of capitalism had to say. Adam Smith HIMSELF did not believe in Corporate domination.

Even an idiot has to understand that if the middle class is squeezed to a point where they no longer have any capital to spend...The "wealth of nations" theory is dead, bye bye capitalism.

Fucking duh.
and those of you studying economics...read a history book.
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