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Old 04-20-2008, 05:14 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I've never heard that myself. I have a hard time believing it really. Do you have something I could read on that?
Guns, Germs & Steel as well as Collapse both by Jared Diamond.

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Except for the skyskrapers,those are all great ideas. But what do those things have to do with raising cattle without feeding them grain?

Directly, nothing. Indirectly it means a reformation in food production and land use. One that I'm betting would be more beneficial economically than the existing model, especially so over the long term.

And, yes skyscrapers aren't going anywhere, so they might as well double as windbreaks for the return of limited forestation where now only the skyscraper reigns.

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Bison shit ? I dont get what you're trying to say with that one.
I believe I mentioned this above, but there are numerous grasses in the Americas that domestic cattle just won't touch and can't digest otherwise. Bison can. This gives us the oportunity to both restore an endangered species to much more of its former range and simultaineously improving the quality of "beef" production. Elk and Caribou likewise would prove useful, which in turn- if done properly, would ensure their survival as a species.

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But anyway, like I keep saying, people 500 years ago were hunter gatherers....people today are consumers.MASS consumers at that. People 500 years ago raised and hunted animals for survival. Our society is completely different. Barring some sort of disaster, I dont see how we can go back to that......
I never suggested throwing away all modern civilization, simply learning from ancient societies. Most of modern reforms in agriculture and raising of livestock come from examining indigenous and ancient cultures. Obviously, there's a need to include modern methods, but rather than erase old practices they should merge back into modern ones to yield more efficient future processes.

This is as clear as I can make it.
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