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Old 05-01-2008, 04:32 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by guest1234567 View Post
Big Biz certainly stole it, they would have wanted to keep the cheaper labor in the fields, too. But from what I can tell, the Queen tried to change the constitution to get more power and when that failed she abdicated. Then it was annexed as a territory, and then 60 years later they voted to become a state, rather than stay a territory. But since they were not offered the choice to be their own nation, we'll never know what would have happened.

Do you really think there would have been enough "native" Hawaiians to make a difference in such a landslide (a 17-1 margin)? I'm pretty sure that by the time 1959 came around they were by far the minority on the island. Certainly Philipinos and Samoans and Whites outnumbered the natives by a large amount, as they do now.
While this is an honest debate and just that....a debate. You have history completely wrong sir. Queen Liliuokalani did not abdicate the thrown. There is a complete history of what happened and President Bill Clinton apologised for America's involvement in the illegal overthrow of the sovereign ruler.

What makes you think there are not enough Native Hawaiians?
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