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Old 05-16-2008, 08:33 AM   #12 (permalink)
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since I have no particular ambitions for Obama, nor Mccain -
I don't care who wins as long as we get an overwhelmingly Democratic Congess to passUniversal health Insurance -
I am pleased to see this come up.
No commie health care please. Keep the gov't away at all costs. It will destroy a fine system.

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Under Bush we have had the insane idea that if we talk to rogue states thru diplomatic channels, somehow that is empowering them.

Obama's idea of presidentil level meetings without pre-conditions is not insane, but it is naive,
and potentially dangerous by giving US prestige, and semi-recognition to those states, without any benefit to us.
Better to SET PRE_CONDITIONS, to get them to reform, and then go into a summit, to iron out an agenda.

So it's a good thing the focus is on tis, no matter how clumsily Bush brought it out.

BTW. Talking is not appeasment, giving things away ( like the Sudatenland in WWII ) in the hopes for peace IS appeasement.
Talking to Hitler would have been a waste of time. Go read Mein Kampf and you will see that he saw it as a sign of weakness. Bullies tend to see talk as a sign of weakness. Now take a two-by-four and hit the bully up side the head when he threatens you and he will move along to a talker.
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