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Federalizing is the only way to ensure the U.S. can keep-up with the world, to be sure. This being Washington we're talking about, tho, means that agency would have to be carefully designed and watched very closely.
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'Federalizing' actually won't assure much of anything unless the entire public education system is overhauled. And I'll bet my farm that this will not happen in my lifetime.
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I place more blame on the $ than you, but I absolutely do agree that its the system that's more to blame - How they use the money they have now.
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Throwing more money at a failed system cannot be the answer. When the education idiots design an education system that makes sense for all kids, to achieve their highest potentials, the money will be mandated by Congress.
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Even if nationalized, population limitations on an area basis would be a factor I would imagine.
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Of course it's a factor, and we know it's a factor, so the system must be designed with this knowledge. Do you believe it's fair to punish those kids who live in Mayberry RFD while others who just happen to live in 90210 get everything they need?
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But you do agree. You just allowed for the mechanizations (I didn't, I was going as-is) for providing the English skills necessary to then enter regular schools.
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No I don't agree. If English language skills are a huge problem, then the public education system must be designed to deal with this--not to point fingers and place blame on kids who are born into the situation they are born into.
Ask yourself this question; Why do we have problems? It's because whatever we are doing is not correct. So if we know this, then why don't we change what we are doing? If we need to teach English to millions of immigrant kids from all over the world, then this is what we must do. Complaining about it does nothing but perpetuate the problems.
Any idiot can go to the Census Bureau and see the government's forecast of who and how many immigrants are entering the USA. This is knowledge that government and all educators have known for decades, and even though they understand the immigration population growth, what are they doing to integrate these immigrant kids into public education--very little if anything. Then everyone blames these immigrants and kids for not speaking perfect English and faults them for bringing down the entire education system--this is complete stupidity!
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Not to mention awards for nothing.
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One man's NOTHING might be another man's achievement.
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I could support this. Most schools have alternative 'special ed' type classes. If the regular curriculum and school's operations were cleaned up, then these kids could then be afforded more attention without impacting the rest of the student's or their education.
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It's not just 'those kids' who impact others. All kids impact all other kids because all kids are not created equal.
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Most schools offer this to kids that can't afford brkfst/lunch. Even with no money on his books, my kid can still get pnt/jelly sandwhiches. That the rest of us pay alleviates a great deal of financial stress on the school.
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But why even have this as an issue? Just provide nutrition with education for all kids.
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If schools operations are redesigned, as we've discussed, this might alter - tho I think that those of us can pay for lunch continuing to do so will alleviate the over-all money burden and allow school funding to focus on the educational aspects.
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My position is to eliminate the need for kids to have a single dime in the public education system.
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As an aside to the money, teachers need to be paid better. Period.
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I don't like blanket statements in which everyone gets pay raises even though many do not deserve them. In fact many don't even deserve to have their jobs. Just as there are in every single profession, there are great teachers, average teachers, and bad teachers. Paying more money to bad teachers does nothing but enforce their bad teaching. I agree that average teachers should receive COL and merit increases and that great teachers should be paid much more based mostly on merit, but unless I'm mistaken, the compensation process for public educators is based either all or mostly on tenure and continuing education credits.
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Sometimes I think our public schools are Employee Factories only.
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All people in the workplace, except for the owner of a business, are employees. A CEO is an employee...a clerk is an employee. And since all people are not created equal, some will do well as CEO's while others will do well helping me on my farm. As long as each one was given the opportunity to achieve their full potential, the rest is up to the individuals...