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Originally Posted by brian_wilbanks
I was actually giving a sarcastic response to your assertion that artists are losing money because of Illegal DL'ing. How can you lose money that you never had? I dont know how you could even prove such a claim.
No, it's trespassing. You pay admission to get into the building or venue. If I live next to an outdoor ampitheatre and watch the concert from my rooftop, rather than pay my money to go sit on the grass with the rest of the crowd....am I stealing?
If they started cutting peoples heads off for smoking weed tomorrow, I'd just have to quit....but that doesnt make it right.
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You're mis-reading the decision of the court. It was ALWAYS deemed stealing then and now. Your friend giving you the song that he purchased is also deemed stealing. It was then, it is now. Even the attorney's for Napster stipulated that downloading copyrighted songs is illegal. Their argument was that the free speech issues outweighed the illegality of the act. That though people downloaded copyrighted material illegally, they also shared aunt tilly's cookie recipee, therefore the site should continue. The judge said, bullshit and shut that shit down.
Your argument seems to be that because you wouldn't buy it, therefore it's not stealing because it's money they would not of possessed anyway. Again, i question whether or not you would do without entirely were it not for your ability to get something free. But can't i use that argument to steal anything, not just intellectual property? I would never pay 400 dollars for a jacket, therefore when i take it, it's not stealing because this is money they never would of possessed. I wouldn't normally buy that song, but because it's free i'll download it. The artist isn't out anything because it's money they never would of possessed anyway.
The whole purpose of paying for things is to force people to do without things that they want until the point where they can afford it or they just decide to do without it.
Also, i wish you guys would stop pretending that the law is some nebulous thing that's so difficult to understand that you might as well just break it because it's SOOOOO difficult to keep track of. If you're listening to a concert from your house it's not stealing. If you record the concert it is stealing. If you watch the concert from your house it's not trespassing, if you sneak in the building it is. The law is clear, you're playing dumb because you want to do what you want to do when you want to do it. Fine and dandy, but stealing.
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Downloading music is NOT stealing....it's sharing.
Why people do it is irrelevant.
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And shooting that motherucker going 40 in the speed lane with his right blinker on is not murder, it's pressure relief.
It IS stealing, the courts have ruled so hundreds of times. And the reason why people do it is because it's easy and safe. Stop pretending otherwise.