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Old 06-30-2008, 08:22 PM   #147 (permalink)
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No I don't agree. If English language skills are a huge problem, then the public education system must be designed to deal with this--not to point fingers and place blame on kids who are born into the situation they are born into.
This is being dealt with, but it takes time to make adjustments.

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Ask yourself this question; Why do we have problems? It's because whatever we are doing is not correct. So if we know this, then why don't we change what we are doing? If we need to teach English to millions of immigrant kids from all over the world, then this is what we must do. Complaining about it does nothing but perpetuate the problems.
I think the "complaining" stems from the fact that NCLB punishes schools that are deemed to be failing...usually schools with a high # of English Language Learners. It takes TIME to learn English, damnit!

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Any idiot can go to the Census Bureau and see the government's forecast of who and how many immigrants are entering the USA. This is knowledge that government and all educators have known for decades, and even though they understand the immigration population growth, what are they doing to integrate these immigrant kids into public education--very little if anything. Then everyone blames these immigrants and kids for not speaking perfect English and faults them for bringing down the entire education system--this is complete stupidity!
Why not REWARD schools that do well? (Not what NCLB does...)


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One man's NOTHING might be another man's achievement.
That's very true. Some kids learn a lot and still don't fare well on the standardized tests (given in English in CA).


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But why even have this as an issue? Just provide nutrition with education for all kids.
Ketchup is not a vegetable!



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My position is to eliminate the need for kids to have a single dime in the public education system.
That would be nice...

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I don't like blanket statements in which everyone gets pay raises even though many do not deserve them. In fact many don't even deserve to have their jobs. Just as there are in every single profession, there are great teachers, average teachers, and bad teachers. Paying more money to bad teachers does nothing but enforce their bad teaching. I agree that average teachers should receive COL and merit increases and that great teachers should be paid much more based mostly on merit, but unless I'm mistaken, the compensation process for public educators is based either all or mostly on tenure and continuing education credits.
That's true, but you must consider the degree of difficulty involved. The country club neighborhood Kindergarten teacher has a cushy job compared to the gal (or guy) teaching in a poor area.
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