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Originally Posted by GuitarWizard
Vary interesting loved the pondering of thought's and question's I would like to add though a better description if I may of my understanding of God's character .
I took a quote: You said God thought all of this into existence.
And I'm looking at God's work's in "Genesis" and the act of creation is referred to as action's rather than thought's did God have a thought before the action we can only speculate
It say's.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
It doesn't say he planed it thought abought it -it just say's he did it everything he created was an action it took work to do it so from that aspect he put an awful lot of work into what he made even when he made Adam he personally breathed life into his body.
So for me knowing that he put so much work into life and beyond and being prefect in his wisdom it is highly unlikely that he would want to destroy all of his hard work and more likely that his hard work has another chapter to play in fulfilling his purpose and goal for making such an action to make existence reality for all.
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Well, two things on that. First, thinking isn't easy. A lot of people can't even seem to do it. Using imagination is even harder. And I would say that thinking is an activity.
But yeah, if you take the hard-line approach and just look to scripture to tell you everything then it might be hard to see how he just thought it all into existence. You should keep in mind though that you're talking to someone who doesn't swallow the authority angle, not for man and not for a text. So to just quote scripture as the definition of God kind of leaves me out of the discussion if that's all you can do.
That said, here's the second thing: There is a point in that dialog where the one asks the other what God created everything out of. Unless he just thought it all into existence then there must have been something he made it from. Really, that the conversation went that direction made it more interesting since this fork takes us down a path that usually ends poorly and always causes us to have to leave God behind...since whatever it is that God made the universe out of must have existed already or again...it's just thought into existence. So we then end up having to explain, or at least ask, where this stuff came from and can't say, "God did it," anymore.
Furthermore, the dialog is actually about the moral issues surrounding a creator God. That God thought it all into existence is the only interesting God angle there is. The rest, so far as I have ever seen or thought of, are all intellectual dead ends.
The whole thing is a literary tool anyway. I don't believe in God at all. It actually leaves me more open to be able to contemplate what the word "God" even means.
In the end I guess while I can admire your ability to quote scripture, it really doesn't mean anything to me. For me to accept your text there has to be some reason that I might think it's highly credible, and at this point I don't. In fact, after seeing all the evidence that the text is wrong, on almost all counts, God himself would have some work to do convincing me he actually wrote it or had anything to do with it. We'd probably spend more time discussing the nature of his claim of Godhood.