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Originally Posted by Environment Man
Logic dictates that there has to be one entity that always has been, always will be and is all powerful. That ends the chicken and egg, allows for the sentience and power to design and implement the Big Bang and rule in Heaven.
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No it doesn't.
First off, logic "dictates" nothing. I realize I might be blaspheming your hero, Spock, but the simple truth of the matter is that logic is a tool for analysis...it doesn't "dictate".
Furthermore, "always will be," is not necessary. The elements that exist today were not in existence when the big bang occurred and the "elements" that immediately followed the big bang, the vast majority anyway, do not exist anymore. They were destroyed in the process of forming matter. So we know right off that what exists today could have been formed by something temporary - because it was.
"All powerful" is also unnecessary. The only necessary feature of whatever caused the big bang is that it has the potential to create a HUGE amount of energy. Either actually causing new energy to come into existence (though thermodynamics work a certain way in this universe I'm not going to hold all universes to our theories) or converted an energy that already existed.
There's actually a finite amount of energy in this universe, in the form of matter, motion, and various other forms. It is less now than it was when the big bang occurred. Nothing further than the amount of energy in the big bang is necessary, and that is not an infinite amount.
So your argument fails on multiple levels. First by claiming that logic "dictates" anything. Logic is a tool and logic can be wrong--especially when based on false premises--and can be used incorrectly. Second by claiming that whatever created the universe had to have existed forever - this is not so; another quite reasonable hypothesis is that there's been an infinite cascade of events involving the creation and destruction of many different forms that eventually caused the big bang; yet another is that there's no time outside the universe and thus no infinity, no before, and no outside for this "quandary" to be concerned with. Third, by claiming that such whatever has to be all powerful when this is clearly not required; a very basic and singular power is required...simply a vast supply of energy.
Nothing intelligent, all powerful, or eternal is required or "dictated" by logic. There are a vast supply of reasonable ideas that could have caused the big bang that do not involve an intelligent creator. The likelihood of any of them being testable is nil, but you never know...some day someone might prove one of them correct.