All flags have blood on them....but this one. - Page 2

MarkMiller · 01-19-2008, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

I think you have a good point, M. although if pressed I would think Trace Atkins would say he meant flags of nations or other type political entities. And I think the mention of ancient Greece is relevant, in that it was a society where homosexuality was accepted, perhaps even encouraged in the case of Sparta. and they were warlike peoples, even for all their other contributions. Since the Rainbow flag emerged their certainly has been a lot of death and suffering under it. Not that there is a causal link.

and you can not attribute the actions of individuals of a group and have them be representative of the that group if they are minority within that group. Plainly stated, if you make Jeffrey Dahmer your representative for gays, then you can make him the representative of white guys of people over 6 foot tall. Of people living in Milwaukee, or Wisconsin. Or the United States.

Well said. I guess my point was that the blood on the flags was meant to be how much violence that following made others suffer from. Not how much blood they suffered. Otherwise this flag would have the blood of all of the Aids victims since 1981.

Kanadesaga · 01-19-2008, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

Well said. I guess my point was that the blood on the flags was meant to be how much violence that following made others suffer from. Not how much blood they suffered. Otherwise this flag would have the blood of all of the Aids victims since 1981.

I think Trace Atkins was speaking about our flag in particular and the Confedrate flag both having terrible things done under them, for them and in their name. It isn't a coincidence that many around the world burn our flag in effigy of our nation. so I can agree with DL when ghe says that flag is code for "good lo' boys" and " I'll keep the ******s and the happy persons where they belong." and I DO believe that is Huckabee was saying when he brought up the flag in SC, that issue was put to "rest", in white folks view, 7-8 years ago. How the rest of the folk feel is another story and that is what DL was saying.

There are 2 Americas.

Now Eric, I didn't type those little asterisks up there. I typed the word cause I was quoting Mr. Hugley. Can you explain what happened please?

The_Heretic · 01-20-2008, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

Uhm....to late.

Gays...always passive and peaceful...huh? One word reply.....Stonewall.

that was meant to be aren't.

MarkMiller · 01-20-2008, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

that was meant to be aren't.

You know.....I kinda thought that didn't make sense.

StillNoScript · 01-20-2008, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jowey

Jeffrey Dahmer and Alexander the Great were both gay....

How long has this flag been flying ? Give it time, unfortunately all groups have "history".

Violence came with every other flag, right off the bat. In fact, in the case of the American flag, the violence came FIRST. That rainbow flag has been around since, what, the '70s? That's 30 years and not one shot fired yet in the name of it. Dr. Zaius made a great point with this thread. Kudos.

MarkMiller · 01-20-2008, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by StillNoScript

Violence came with every other flag, right off the bat. In fact, in the case of the American flag, the violence came FIRST. That rainbow flag has been around since, what, the '70s? That's 30 years and not one shot fired yet in the name of it. Dr. Zaius made a great point with this thread. Kudos.

This year is in fact the 30th anniversary of the Rainbow Flag.

Lolli · 01-20-2008, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

it was a society where homosexuality was accepted, perhaps even encouraged in the case of Sparta.

It was actually mandatory!!

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and you can not attribute the actions of individuals of a group and have them be representative of the that group if they are minority within that group. Plainly stated, if you make Jeffrey Dahmer your representative for gays, then you can make him the representative of white guys of people over 6 foot tall. Of people living in Milwaukee, or Wisconsin. Or the United States.

I agree.

Malkavian · 01-20-2008, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

Are we still on a 300 kick? This is not Sparta! LOL!

Sorry, i just couldn't resist.

jowey · 01-27-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

Jeffrey Dahmer!? You have no clue what you are talking about now.

That was pretty fucked up.

The Rainbow flag was introduced in 1978. I wouldn't even count Stonewall if it was after that time....because the cops were the aggresors and it was politicaly motivated. The blood was on their hands.

Dude do you even know what we are talking about here or are you just trying to piss people off?

Guess I was a little unfair with my Jeffery Dahmer comment, it is a pretty flag. I personally do not like banners/flags, they are used as a rallying point for nut cases, note the banners that Christians, a group claiming to adhere to the teaching of a peaceful founder - Crusades..... Now we have Alexander the Great who was bent on conquering the known world and we have a sociopath in Jeffery Dahmer, both were members of the gay population.

Now my experiences with the gay community leave a lot to be desired, the first incident was someone who tried to take advantage of me while I was passed out, apparently he was lonely, he later found "boy" to take care of him. The second experience was an individual who abused their wife, wore her clothing (wouldnt be adult enough to get their own), told her that he was getting the operation to become a woman, threatened to kill everyone and then enlisted the aid of a Christian church by apparently being "born again". The third was a neighbor, I like him, but his boyfriend was another story, when he was gone his significant other had others over, then one day I was playing with my dog when I noticed his other on my property staring at me, his hands were doing something - I knew then what women go through, creepy.

These are all part of the human experience, I would not make a claim of no blood spilled on a flag, by its nature this will come. This population does not claim to follow the teachings of a peaceful founder, its claim is a group of people that rally around a sexual activity. This is a choice, their choice and I will support their decision to do whatever, just as I expect them to respect my choices and the choices of others - best of luck.....

MarkMiller · 01-27-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jowey

Guess I was a little unfair with my Jeffery Dahmer comment, it is a pretty flag. I personally do not like banners/flags, they are used as a rallying point for nut cases, note the banners that Christians, a group claiming to adhere to the teaching of a peaceful founder - Crusades..... Now we have Alexander the Great who was bent on conquering the known world and we have a sociopath in Jeffery Dahmer, both were members of the gay population.

Now my experiences with the gay community leave a lot to be desired, the first incident was someone who tried to take advantage of me while I was passed out, apparently he was lonely, he later found "boy" to take care of him. The second experience was an individual who abused their wife, wore her clothing (wouldnt be adult enough to get their own), told her that he was getting the operation to become a woman, threatened to kill everyone and then enlisted the aid of a Christian church by apparently being "born again". The third was a neighbor, I like him, but his boyfriend was another story, when he was gone his significant other had others over, then one day I was playing with my dog when I noticed his other on my property staring at me, his hands were doing something - I knew then what women go through, creepy.

These are all part of the human experience, I would not make a claim of no blood spilled on a flag, by its nature this will come. This population does not claim to follow the teachings of a peaceful founder, its claim is a group of people that rally around a sexual activity. This is a choice, their choice and I will support their decision to do whatever, just as I expect them to respect my choices and the choices of others - best of luck.....

The second experience was not gay...but it is a shame about your other experiances.

There are all kinds of people. Some good, some bad. Don't judge the world by the actions of a few.

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