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Cookie · 03-09-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

Under the protection of U.S. air power. Those al-Qaeda were helping the Kurds by planning attacks on Saddam's Ba'athist government.

2 for 2.

My point being, they were in Iraq, and many, including Obama for president Obama, said they weren't. An outright lie.

The_Heretic · 03-09-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cookie

2 for 2.

My point being, they were in Iraq, and many, including Obama for president Obama, said they weren't. An outright lie.

It's not an outright lie to say al-Qaeda wasn't a threat against us in Iraq prior to our invasion. In fact an AQI chapter didn't exist until after the invasion. The al-Qaeda camp there didn't call itself al-Qaeda in Iraq until after it was clear our invasion was killing more Iraqis than Saddam was. The ugly truth of al-Qaeda's presence in Iraq is that the U.S. and U.K. openly tolerated it and even protected them from the air [northern no-fly zone].

serum114 · 03-09-2008, 10:56 AM

Does this mean that Saddam and Al Queada didn't plan 9/11.

Cookie · 03-09-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

It's not an outright lie to say al-Qaeda wasn't a threat against us in Iraq prior to our invasion. In fact an AQI chapter didn't exist until after the invasion. The al-Qaeda camp there didn't call itself al-Qaeda in Iraq until after it was clear our invasion was killing more Iraqis than Saddam was. The ugly truth of al-Qaeda's presence in Iraq is that the U.S. and U.K. openly tolerated it and even protected them from the air [northern no-fly zone].

That's not what they are saying. They are saying they weren't there, which is a lie. They were. The 9/11 commission report confirmed it.

The toleration of AQ was because we had worked WITH them in Afghanistan. Remember?

Someone who is running for President of the United States shouldn't be lying just to further their agenda, because afterall, that's exactly part of the fault the left has found with Bush et al. Or is it only wrong when a repub does it?

Cookie · 03-09-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by serum114

Does this mean that Saddam and Al Queada didn't plan 9/11.

Yo, ding-dong. AQ has already taken credit for it. YEARS ago.

serum114 · 03-09-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cookie

Yo, ding-dong. AQ has already taken credit for it. YEARS ago.

I was being sarcastic the Bush adminstration tried to make it appear that Saddam had some sort of involvement and that was used as another bogus reason to attack Iraq. And dammit don't call me a ding dong.

Titanium Cat · 03-09-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cookie

That's not what they are saying. They are saying they weren't there, which is a lie. They were. The 9/11 commission report confirmed it.

That is just you parsing a statement beyond it's intended meaning. The 9/11 Commission report stated that there was no operational or collaborative relationship been the Iraq government and Al Qaeda. The Al Qaeda in Iraq were aligned with the Kurds who were an enemy of the Saddam government and not considered a threat. Furthermore the no fly zones operated by the coalition gave them protection from Saddam.

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The toleration of AQ was because we had worked WITH them in Afghanistan. Remember?

Someone who is running for President of the United States shouldn't be lying just to further their agenda, because afterall, that's exactly part of the fault the left has found with Bush et al. Or is it only wrong when a repub does it?

It's not a lie, it's a statement clearly related to the terrorist activities of Al Qaeda since the start of the war. Al Qaeda was NOT OPERATING IN IRAQ creating terrorist acts like they have been since the war began. Their previous remote presence in areas of Iraq not under control of the Iraq government was insignificant and unrelated to their current activities which is what Obama was referring to.

To even compare that to things like the outright dishonesty of the Bush administration lying about the WMD threat is a laugh.

The_Heretic · 03-09-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cookie

That's not what they are saying. They are saying they weren't there, which is a lie. They were. The 9/11 commission report confirmed it.

In the context that they were attacking or planning attacks from us in Iraq what Obama said is still absolutely true. They were too busy helping us against Saddam. And the 09/11 report was a complete hack job to scrub clean any blame of any American officials for being asleep at the switch or directly enabling al-Qaeda. Yes, the republicans and a few D.I.N.O.'s betrayed us to al-Qaeda for corporate gain and extremist ideology. I'd have the bastards lined against the wall for that shit.

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The toleration of AQ was because we had worked WITH them in Afghanistan. Remember?

Not just. We were quietly providing air cover for them in the Northern No-Fly Zone.

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Someone who is running for President of the United States shouldn't be lying just to further their agenda, because afterall, that's exactly part of the fault the left has found with Bush et al. Or is it only wrong when a repub does it?

Obama didn't lie. You need to examine what in fact Obama said in regard to al-Qaeda in Iraq. And for someone supposedly so outraged by a lie you should seriously examine your support for the anti-American extremist right wing republican party. They've done nothing but lie about everything.

Cookie · 03-09-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by serum114

I was being sarcastic the Bush adminstration tried to make it appear that Saddam had some sort of involvement and that was used as another bogus reason to attack Iraq. And dammit don't call me a ding dong.

Well, it's hard to tell about you, damn it.

Cookie · 03-09-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Titanium Cat

That is just you parsing a statement beyond it's intended meaning. The 9/11 Commission report stated that there was no operational or collaborative relationship been the Iraq government and Al Qaeda. The Al Qaeda in Iraq were aligned with the Kurds who were an enemy of the Saddam government and not considered a threat. Furthermore the no fly zones operated by the coalition gave them protection from Saddam.
That is just you not taking a statment at it's face value. They said AQ wasn't in Iraq. That's either a lie or just plain ignorance. Well, actually, it's both.
It's not a lie, it's a statement clearly related to the terrorist activities of Al Qaeda since the start of the war. Al Qaeda was NOT OPERATING IN IRAQ creating terrorist acts like they have been since the war began.
THAT ISN"T WHAT THEY SAID, and since you aren't inside their heads, you cannot extrapolate it to mean what your spin says.
Their previous remote presence in areas of Iraq not under control of the Iraq government was insignificant and unrelated to their current activities which is what Obama was referring to.

To even compare that to things like the outright dishonesty of the Bush administration lying about the WMD threat is a laugh.

A lie is a lie. Now we're catagorizing lies by degree? Oh brother!

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