The_Heretic

Unless it's the male students on the weekend.

Given that he is reporting from the more unsafe areas of Iraq I'm sure he's got a better idea than anyone "back in the world."

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Dawnling

I liked it when
Barney Frank told PJ that rich people DO take from poor people.

To say that,
in the long run, rich people don't take from poor people is saying that the status quo responds to nothing and does not change
and
it says that the numbers of poor people aren't growing
and it
overlooks the fact that rich people have the power to DO THINGS...
power that other people don't have.

The Astors look around at the horrible behavior of rich children and decided to have none and create schooling-options for poor people that, other wise, would not have existed.

McCain took and/or allowed plenty of money to be taken from poor, elderly people.

I'm NOT in favor of people living on 'the-dole'.

I am in favor of birth control for every one who wants it and for the top one percent.
The top one percent can bequeath to any single individual by merit and keep their numbers low - they way that they like it.

Making huge and growing numbers of poor people by birth, lack of oportunity or shoving them there is just dumb.

The_Heretic

The whole problem with their argument is that at times they're both right and often at the same time. The pie can get larger overall [tech companies, highways, the advent of stock markets, the creation of banking, etc.] and there are also times when people do take wealth from others [railroads, the land grabs of the 19th century, etc.].

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Dawnling

We MUST make the numbers of poor people go down with birthcontrol and not wait for pestilence and war.

I, firmly, state that rich people's children are a burden on us all because they toil not nor do them spin

Dawnling

Rich people say THE stupidest things that I have ever heard.

One told me that I was never to worry about money because we all come from the same place.

May he rot in a ditch at the side of the road.

One said that it isn't that people are poor -
it's that they have a bad attitude toward being poor.

May his teeth rot out of his head for lack on money to see a dentist.

Then,
there was the woman who asked me why I don't just pay stuff off...
May she swim in her own feces daily.


Rich people run away from information that they don't like.
They are not brave or worthy.
Cocooning oneself in Pretendsville is not noble.

Birthcontrol is still the best answer - overall

Jonesy

Or, better yet, learn science. Once you have a piece of land, you can construct your own shelter, and provide your own food, water and clothing.

The problem isn't rich steal from poor, the problem is poor depend on rich. For billions of years, there was no such thing as rich or poor.

Jonesy

I guess I should say, a big part of the problem with rich people is when they are born rich. Without the 'poor' people, rich people would have nothing. A rich person who wasn't born rich understands the real value of the workers; but a rich person who was born rich doesn't think he or she needs the workers to become rich, because he or she was born rich. It is a subconscious (false) assumption.

A proper business would divide profits fairly. The more rich people who are born rich, and take over companies, the more unfair and wrong it becomes.

The_Heretic

Good luck enforcing that.

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Dawnling

Thanks.

I/we need it.

Many people do not want children and are terrible parents.

If we can just spread the meme that
one does not need to have ANY children,
it will work.

Dawnling

This is unlikely to happen.

It would be better to make fewer people.
THEN the rich could be REALLY rich and guilt-free.

A good example is Flint, Michigan.

Factory is closed to send jobs where workers can be paid .70
per hour instead of $10.00 per hour.
Profit for top-dogs increases dramatically.

Citizens spiral downard financially with few - if any - options.

City builds ( spends lots of money ) on a big hotel expecting visitors.
Hotel fails.
( money wasted )
City builds big "attraction center" expecting visitors.
Center fails.
( monely wasted )
Citizens still poor and getting poorer.
( Can't even move away without money )
Vulgar choice of city: evictions at Christmas.
THEN, city spends moeny on big jail!

Now, I understand the choice to move to where workers are paid less
even if this is a cold-hearted, unpatriotic choice.

I understand that rich people get cocooned and stupid enough to build a hotel but
once one chooses to waste money,

the better choices would have been
1. pay-off the homes and let the citizens be in them, searching for lower paying jobs successfully
or
2. build a community college and let those who had jobs go for free for 2 years
3. once a rich person sees that the loss of jobs has created great crime enough for the need to build a big - expensive - jail,
hang head, look in mirror and see truth.

then,
4. don't have weathy children who suck wads on money and so feed the desperation that creates more crime.
5. encorage people to not have children so that the wealthy can actually help the poor.
because creating ever-growign numbers of poor people is just stupid.

I am ready to hear other suggestions.

However, if nothing good is done,
violence - including war - and pestilence
WILL happen and these are not a
necessary part of intellegent, adult choices