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Old 12-16-2007, 05:10 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I agree with Brown, free trade was a mistake. We probably don't agree for the same reasons though.

As for outsourcing I have spent more than a reasonable share of time explaining outsourcing. The majority of people in this country will never be affected by it, if you are, it will most likely be in a LIMITED sector of the economy, like call centers, manufacturing, and some types of IT. That is the price we pay for globalization, oh brave new world right?

I hate to say this but if you don't have an education, your prospects are grim.
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Old 12-16-2007, 06:59 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I agree with Brown, free trade was a mistake. We probably don't agree for the same reasons though.

As for outsourcing I have spent more than a reasonable share of time explaining outsourcing. The majority of people in this country will never be affected by it, if you are, it will most likely be in a LIMITED sector of the economy, like call centers, manufacturing, and some types of IT. That is the price we pay for globalization, oh brave new world right?

I hate to say this but if you don't have an education, your prospects are grim.
Ie the only jobs that actually matter. I mean, lets face it - the goal of the consumer economy is to make shit (manufacturing), yell at customer service when it doesn't work (call center), and then troll about it on the forums (IT). All other stuff is there to keep people looking busy and important.
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Old 12-16-2007, 07:04 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Free trade and outsourceing are good for the economy. It's also inevitable. Even the Democrats know it which is why they keep voting for it in spite of their protectionist rhetoric. America is now in a post-industrial economy and pretending otherwise doesn't do anyone any good.
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Old 12-16-2007, 08:10 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Free trade needs to be coupled with adequate inspections
for safety and quality.

The corporations will not give that to us because they
run on greed, not on humanity or longevity.

Short-term profit rules the day--screw everyone else.
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Old 12-17-2007, 09:41 AM   #25 (permalink)
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We don't have free trade, we have limited protectionism combined with micro-managed trade and internationalist hegemony. If we truly had free trade, there would be zero tarrifs, zero import and export quotas, and zero politically decided trade "deals" (such as NAFTA). Instead, we have all of those things.

On an interesting note, the Republican Party has historically supported protectionism, from Lincon onwards, while in recent times many Democrats have supported a more liberal (I.E. free) trade policy then even many Republicans would vouch for. However, the trade deals we have are not really free trade.

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Old 12-17-2007, 10:00 AM   #26 (permalink)
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A breakdown of some of the factions within Republican and Conservative politics:

1. The neocons.
Traits: interventionist foreign policy, pro-war, internationalism, economic fascism, limited concessions to welfarism.
Examples: George W. Bush, Irving Kristol, John Yoo.

2. The theocons.
Traits: legislated religion, union of church and state, anti-islam, etc.
Examples: Pat Robertson, James Dobson.

3. The paleocons.
Traits: anti-immigration, protectionism, pro-union, nationalism, non-interventionist foreign policy, cultural traditionalism.
Examples: Pat Buchannan, Paul Gottfried.

4. The right-libertarians.
Traits: anti-war, non-interventionist foreign policy, extremely pro-market, borders on anarchism.
Examples: Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, Joseph Sobran.

5. The objectivists.
Traits: rabidly atheist, interventionist foreign policy, advocate donations to the government instead of taxes, open immigration.
Examples: Ayn Rand, Leonard Piekoff.

The picture is not so cut and dry as one may think. They have a lot of disagreements among themselves. The one thing that unites them is anti-communism. Take that away, and they're quite a diverse bunch really. The paleocons and neocons are bitter enemies on matters of foreign policy, trade and labor issues and even matters of culture. The neocons use the theocons as a voting base, but are usually not particularly religious nuts themselves. The theocons only care about Christianity. The objectivists are a strange lot who hate libertarians and seem to share a lot in common with the neocons on foreign policy, while being similar to libertarians about nearly everything else. The right-libertarians may share some traits with the paleocons (particularly on the question of culture and immigration) but take a the most extreme anti-government views of the whole lot, and a handful of them may even qualify as anarchists (such as Hans Herman Hoppe).

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Old 12-17-2007, 11:00 AM   #27 (permalink)
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We don't have free trade, we have limited protectionism combined with micro-managed trade and internationalist hegemony. If we truly had free trade, there would be zero tarrifs, zero import and export quotas, and zero politically decided trade "deals" (such as NAFTA). Instead, we have all of those things.

On an interesting note, the Republican Party has historically supported protectionism, from Lincon onwards, while in recent times many Democrats have supported a more liberal (I.E. free) trade policy then even many Republicans would vouch for. However, the trade deals we have are not really free trade.
Gee I wonder if that is why all those evil ppl were in the streets protesting against globalization........ Being against globalization is like being for breast cancer- No one should be against this........

Hell the ways these wackO semi-terrorists act you would think that the term was stolen along w/ its real intent........
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:26 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Call it whatever you want: we do not have safe trade.

Unless you think lead is necessary in everything.
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:41 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Call it whatever you want: we do not have safe trade.

Unless you think lead is necessary in everything.
I figured out the lead thing. You see its a communist plot to make Western children stupid, then they can take over.
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:48 PM   #30 (permalink)
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The communist plan to take over is to get their Hildebeast elected President.
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