BillCosby

I know it would not have mattered to bush. WOuld it have mattered to you????

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metaldeth_shredder

I'm always amused that people say there were no WMD's in IRAQ,

it would be in their interest and your interest BillCosby to research your subject before making assumptions;

Fact: WMD's were found in IRAQ
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Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq

report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit

Thursday, June 22, 2006

WASHINGTON — The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.

"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.

Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

• Click here to read the declassified portion of the NGIC report.

He added that the report warns about the hazards that the chemical weapons could still pose to coalition troops in Iraq.

"The purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal," Santorum read from the document.

"This says weapons have been discovered, more weapons exist and they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s. But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions.

Hoekstra said the report, completed in April but only declassified now, shows that "there is still a lot about Iraq that we don't fully understand."

Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.

the findings did raise questions about the years of weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may have been used outside Iraq.

the Defense Department statement shortly after the March 2003 invasion saying that "we had all known weapons facilities secured," has proven itself to be untrue.

"It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said, adding that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them.

Hoekstra and Santorum lamented that Americans were given the impression after a 16-month search conducted by the Iraq Survey Group that the evidence of continuing research and development of weapons of mass destruction was insignificant. But the National Ground Intelligence Center took up where the ISG left off when it completed its report in November 2004, and in the process of collecting intelligence for the purpose of force protection for soldiers and sailors still on the ground in Iraq, has shown that the weapons inspections were incomplete, they and others have said.

"We know it was there, in place, it just wasn't operative when inspectors got there after the war, but we know what the inspectors found from talking with the scientists in Iraq that it could have been cranked up immediately, and that's what Saddam had planned to do if the sanctions against Iraq had halted and they were certainly headed in that direction," said Fred Barnes

"It is significant. Perhaps, the administration just, they think they weathered the debate over WMD being found there immediately and don't want to return to it again because things are otherwise going better for them, and then, I think, there's mindless resistance to releasing any classified documents from Iraq," Barnes said.

The release of the declassified materials

Santorum pointed out that during Wednesday's debate, several Senate Democrats said that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, a claim, he said, that the declassified document proves is untrue.

"This is an incredibly — in my mind — significant finding. The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction, is in fact false," he said.

As a result of this new information, under the aegis of his chairmanship, Hoekstra said he is going to ask for more reporting by the various intelligence agencies about weapons of mass destruction.

"We are working on the declassification of the report. We are going to do a thorough search of what additional reports exist in the intelligence community. And we are going to put additional pressure on the Department of Defense and the folks in Iraq to more fully pursue a complete investigation of what existed in Iraq before the war," Hoekstra said.
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here's my question to all you doubters that WMD's exist,

until the USA gets the IRAQ area stabilized, how can our Country and the rest of the world know for sure that there are "no WMD's still in IRAQ" at this present time?

MarkMiller

I'm sorry but those were all emptied way before they were discovered. I saw the original report and I believe what you are talking about is not what you are claiming.

Someone needs to do some research......but it's not Bill.

BillCosby

Interesting.... where is the link................ As the Dr. pointed out this is hardly the crap they lead us to believe............

I think everyone knows that @ some point he had them............ Hell we helped him make it.......... Remember he use to be a good guy like us..........

I guess the bush supporters & chxnhawks are still thinking about adding their 2 cents.............

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metaldeth_shredder

quote by Zaius
yeah, and its you zaius,

they were not emptied, do research and read the report

all you have to do is google the NCIS report, its all over the internet

the smallest most complete version I can find is a .pdf file that is 7 pages and 1.09 mb

you can download it here:
TransferBigFiles Download -

P.S. I actually tried the link, so I know it works

Kanadesaga

I wouldn't have gonme in under any of the then curerent circumstances. wrong place, wrong dictator, wrong time. buit we know what Dick "the prick" ccheney would do, He would go in no matter what, after all the oil was there. And he didn't make enough illegal money with the oil for food scam through HAL.

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Titanium Cat

You should realize that nobody took Santorum seriously back in 2006. It was bullcrap back then and it is still bullcrap today, the military inspectors did not considered the chemical remains of decayed nerve gas as WMD's.

The Iraq Survey Group stated this about them:

"While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter, a policy ISG attributes to Baghdad’s desire to see sanctions lifted, or rendered ineffectual, or its fear of force against it should WMD be discovered."

Those shells are leftovers from when Iraq was using them against Iran back in the 80's. They didn't need to be emptied to be rendered ineffective and no longer a WMD. Nerve gas like Sarin has a shelf life of about 2 to 3 months when stored in an artillery shell. 15 plus years later what you get is what they found, the decayed chemical remains.

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metaldeth_shredder

the NCIS report is a more recent report than the Iraq Survey Group report,

and the NCIS report CLEARLY states WMD's were found.

Titanium Cat

It's more recent but it's reporting on the exact same thing that the ISG did.

It's right there in the section you cut and pasted:

"Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

And that's what you get from chemical munitions that have been sitting around since before the Gulf War, degraded agents.

The report doesn't call them WMD's, it refers to them exactly like the section above does. It's Santorum and Hoekstra who refer to them as WMD's. Nobody took them seriously back in 2006, not the Whitehouse nor the DoD. Neither of them contended that they had found WMD's. But you are free to pretend otherwise.

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Kanadesaga

Correct me if I'm wrong. As a fervent bush/cheney hater I KNEW they were lying from the beginning. In my soul I knew. Yet, and here I think I speak for a most liberals, I prayed that they would find WMDs, secret al Qaeda training bases underground, Usama hanging in one of the palaces. I did. I swear. As an American, I wanted, for somehow for the retard to get lucky. For the intel to be right. For America to look good around the world.
















It didn't happen.

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