BillCosby

Protect.....................???

Serve........................???

Or tax.........................?????

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Kanadesaga

It should be like the Hippocratic Oath. "First, do no harm"

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anhailla

The role of a good government is to protect the poor from the rich. If you do that, everything else will fall into place.
(the actual saying is to protect the "weak from the mighty" something like that)


do I have to vote?

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BillCosby

nope........... Not in my world.... Voting is an option.........

I agree it is to protect first & foremost...... All else must flow from that... How can one serve the unprotected???

Why have the righties not swung by??????

I think most democracies protect their ppl........ Some..... Most do a far better job than the usa......... We are well protected from attack from outside.. IF all else fails we just blow the whole fucking place up....lol

But we are not very well protected from cancer???? Or even the normal health issues we all face..........

In heathcare we lag so far behind the other democracies it ain't funny.......... Oh that is in services etc. We still pay the top dollar we just don't get as good a return on it as they do............

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SPRINGFIELD

I'm a rightie, and I'll swing by. Non of the other options mean a damn thing if the citizens aren't protected. And I disagree with your statement that most other Democracies to a far better job of protecting their citizens than the USA does. First of all, when it boils down to it WE(the USA) usually end up protecting other democracies. With the help of the Brits and Aussies and sometimes the Canadians. So, what I think you mean is that other "democracies" do a better job of protecting their citizens from THEMSELVES, which is arguably much closer to socialisim than democracy, right? Don't even go there, talking about socialized healthcare having an edge on our system, that's my field. There's a reason people from all over the globe come here when they get REALLY sick. Communist/socialist healthcare is a fucking farce. Doctors make much less money, which gives them LOTS of motivation to provide professional and top-notch care. LOL
Oh, and the the waiting list. Good luck getting seen for a debilitating illness in a timely manner. Or getting quality care when you get there. Our system has major flaws,indeed. But it's a classic example of the age old concept of "you get what you pay for".

The_Heretic

In fact the U.S. hasn't done a good job of that in sixty years. What democracy were we protecting in 2003? France's law enforcement services captured more terrorists than the FBI, CIA and NSA combined. What the U.S. has been doing is letting its moth write checks the bodies of citizens in other democracies couldn't cash [i.e. Madrid, London, etc.]

Wrong. This 19th century mindset of leaving everybody to fend for themselves yet still allowing predatory corporations to cannibalize our government is less a democracy than what we see in Canada, the U.K. or any of the European nations.

Most of the U.S. wants socialized healthcare. You may have the finances to pay your own medical bills or purchase a health plan that will help you went you need it most, but there's more of us who're effectively one incident away from bankruptcy even if we are insured.

Only the increadibly wealthy, and that's not even true anymore. Most of them are now going to countries other than the U.S. because their best care is cheaper even with the expenses of travel and staying for the duration of their treatment. The myth that our medical care has become so transparently false that we're now well known for our third world rate healthcare.

Communism and socialism aren't the same. It's time you step into the 21st century and understand that. This idea of being your fellow citizen's keeper and helping them out on a national is where western civilization is going. If you like the 16th century Puritanical anarchy you're in the wrong era.

That has nothing to do with a decent socialized healthcare system. Claims to the contrary are merely right wing radio spin.

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Oh, and the the waiting list. Good luck getting seen for a debilitating illness in a timely manner.[/quote]

That's been proven pattently false. Crtical care in most socialized systems doesn't have waiting lists as long as that, and even if they did it still beats getting no treatment whatsoever.

That's an even worse problem in the U.S.

Ah, wrong again. We're paying over 50% more for healthcare that is as bad as many third world impoverished nations.

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Gaia

That is correct!! Only rich people can make the stupid statement, that the american healthcare system is the best in the world. I have insurance, I am sick, and I have this choice: either go to doctors, hospitals, have another much needed surgery, get incredibly expensive medication, watch thousands of dollars in medical bills pile up, that I have to pay, and can't, because I don't have that kind of money, because I am not a rich american, or...I can stop going to doctors, stop borrowing money for the medicine I cant afford and stop taking it, and just fucking wait and see, how long it will take for me to miserably die.


This whole country is turning into a third world shit hole. And all it's greedy rats have already left this sinking ship.



Amen to that! America is full of reactionary fools and elitist rich folks, who love living in the past.




I was born and raised in europe, under an socialized healthcare system, it works just fine. Misinformation is generated by those who profit from the american health care system, in it's current condition. It's an Industry after all, and All about making money, across the board, got not a thing to do with healing sick people.



Just more bullshit generated by those who like things just as they are. There is no loooong waiting list. There are plenty of doctors, to take care of, and serve as Healers for the sick, as per that oath doctors take. Here in america, doctors are forced to break that oath, to be dope pushers for the pharmaceutical industry, and to heal those, who can pay for it.



The deductible of the "insurance" company that my husband's work place provides, is $6000, pays only 60%, regular doctors are $40, specialists are $80, and RX is $30, $40, $60 & $100.

It's really more akin to a Mafia Protection Racket...this American "Health Insurance", "Healthcare Industry/System". They take over $600 Dollars out of our Check every month, and keep it. And when we get sick, well...then that's our problem, not theirs.

Does anybody really think Obama, Hillary or the Old Guy give a Shit about this Healthcare Mess, and will fix it?

I don't.

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You forgot about getting bankruptcy also. Or the millions of millions of Americans that have zero coverage....... They get no care......

You present no evidence to back up what is essentially just your opinion...... I use to have the same opinion.... THat is till I actually learned about it......

Somehow those wacky communist countries like Japan, Taiwan & Switzerland can have healthcare for their citizens but we can't...... They all do it differently & all get the job done..........

I guess it is comforting for children dying or suffering from something to know that if one of the axis of evil ever attempted anything bush could blow the world up three or four times over......

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Cookie

The first role of good government is to provide services that we cannot individually provide for ourselves, usually because those services have such a hefty pricetag it takes a collective body to pay for them.

For example, national defense at the federal level, police and fire protection at the local level.

Followed closely by being cautious, practical and honest stewards of our tax money.

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BillCosby

Well that tax money/benefits are shared w/ our corporate friends.

You bring up a good point though........ We have an economic incentive as was pointed out in our healthcare & this is supposedly making it better........ (& in some cases it surely is but perhaps not others)

SO why isn't our fire or police protection done that way???

Sure you paid us to put out the fire but we had a better offer...

I know you want a cop on that corner but the oak park neighborhood is paying us twice what you will for Saturday nights.........

I would be happy to see you now for cash or after the check clears...... But you better decide quickly After 10am I can get a lot more............

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