Kos attacking Ron Paul - and 911 CT'rs - Page 5

VKMHVM2 · 11-21-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wayside

No! Really? You think? Couldn't be!

You run cover for these criminals.

wayside · 11-21-2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

You run cover for these criminals.

Yeah, that's what I do...I run "cover." What the fuck does "run cover" mean?
Oh yeah, that must mean whey you call guys like you on their bullshit and you've got nothing left but, "you run cover for these criminals." If that's it then that's exactly what I do.

chambers92 · 11-21-2007, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wayside

Yeah, that's what I do...I run "cover." What the fuck does "run cover" mean?
Oh yeah, that must mean whey you call guys like you on their bullshit and you've got nothing left but, "you run cover for these criminals." If that's it then that's exactly what I do.

Oh come on Wayside. You know we both run a "cover" operation.

wayside · 11-21-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chambers92

Oh come on Wayside. You know we both run a "cover" operation.

Great! Now you've outted me! Good move, Ms Rove!

voodoo · 11-21-2007, 01:03 PM

If the world could be boiled down to simple yes and no answers we would have never invented computers.

wayside · 11-21-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by voodoo

If the world could be boiled down to simple yes and no answers we would have never invented computers.

Yeah, so you live in a world of inuendo.

"Well, I fin'ly started thinkin' straight
When I run outa things to investigate.
Couldn't imagine nothing else,
So now I'm home investigatin' myself!
Hope I don't find out too much . . . Good God!"

Bob Dylan

VKMHVM2 · 11-21-2007, 01:33 PM

This is an insightful response to Kos' Ron Paul/911 truth hit piece.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/200...35/81/166#c166

Get This Straight. (5+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
SecondComing, missreporter, frandor55, brentmack, media whores

While there are other possibilities, of course, if the 9-11 caper was not pulled off by the Nineteen Boxcutter Arabs, then the people who most obviously benefited from it are -- as in any crime -- possible suspects.

That would include Cheney, Bush, and the neo-cons, who panted in their manifesto, "Rebuilding America's Defenses" for "a New Pearl Harbor," to win popular support for . . . the very policies of endless war and incipient fascism that we have seen since 9-11.

A number of prominent neo-cons are Jewish, some are dual US-Israeli citizens, and the PNAC manifesto was enunciated by men, many of whom had served as consultants to Netanyahu.

The gatekeeper for what the 9-11 Commission would see and hear (and would NOT see and hear) is a Straussian/neo-con/Zionist/Jew who publicly asserted in 2003 that the threat against which America was going to war against Iraq was not truly a threat to the United States, but a threat to Israel.

That of course is Philip Zelikow, who as co-author of a book with Condi Rice was hardly an investigator independent of the Administration.

Part of Mr. Zelikow's academic work and writing was in the area of creating national myths as a basis for policy-making. Hmmmm.

Am I saying that 9-11 was a Jewish conspiracy? No. But the Official Story has more holes than Swiss cheese, and the diktat -- which seems to apply here at Kos -- that NO ONE MUST QUESTION the official story of an event or series of events has only one parallel I know of, which is that Jewish organizations have lobbied, successfully, to make it a crime to question the extent of the Nazi persecution of the Jews, on pain of imprisonment.

Being a rebellious lad (well, now a rebellious old man) whenever anyone tells me I have to believe x, and cannot question x, I immediately begin both to doubt the truth of x, and to question the good faith of the people telling me what it is that I have to believe.

I note that it is the Simon Weisenthal Center that recently has publicly equated 9-11 skepticism with terrorism and jihadism.

That should make everyone begin to wonder.

What do I want? A new, balls-out, bona fide investigation that assumes nothing. Not politically controlled, no coverup bullshit.

If the Official Story is vindicated, cool. If not, well 3000 murders in my hometown deserves a real investigation. There's no statute of limitations on murder.

But it is disquieting that Jewish organizations are starting the drumbeat of equating doubters of the Official Story with Nazis, or terrorists, or jihadists. If the attacks were allowed to happen in part to further an Israeli agenda, or the neo-cons (not all of whom, of course, are Jewish) actually had a hand in planning the awful deeds, THE WORLD AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO THE UNADORNED TRUTH.

And, if the attacks were so disapproved of by our rulers, but you cannot bring yourself to believe in actual complicity, only that the failure to foresee or to stop the attacks, as they actually unfolded, was the fruit of incompetence, you might ask yourself this: why has no one (at least as far as I know) (possible exception: George Tenet) been fired, demoted, suspended, indicted, court-martialed, forced into retirement, or otherwise made accountable, for this "incompetence"? Why has no one in the military, the intelligence services, the National Guard, the Pentagon, the FAA, any public or quasi-public body lost his job due to this "incompetence" which led to the loss of 3000 lives?

In my experience, when a bad thing happens, and the people at the top really and truly disapprove of it and wish to prevent it from happening again, they fire people, at minimum everyone with substantial responsibility, and often people with marginal responsibility, to serve as examples to others.

When that DOESN'T happen, it is a reasonable inference that (1) the bosses don't really disapprove of the events in question and/or (2) the people who would logically be fired have so much dirt on the bosses, that they can't be fired, lest they tell what they know.

Again, I don't know what that truth is, but the Official Account has much in it that fails to compute. And no one should be ridiculed for pointing that out.

by Kargomania on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 03:31:55 PM PST

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wayside · 11-21-2007, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

This is an insightful response to Kos' Ron Paul/911 truth hit piece.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/200...35/81/166#c166

Get This Straight. (5+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
SecondComing, missreporter, frandor55, brentmack, media whores

While there are other possibilities, of course, if the 9-11 caper was not pulled off by the Nineteen Boxcutter Arabs, then the people who most obviously benefited from it are -- as in any crime -- possible suspects.

That would include Cheney, Bush, and the neo-cons, who panted in their manifesto, "Rebuilding America's Defenses" for "a New Pearl Harbor," to win popular support for . . . the very policies of endless war and incipient fascism that we have seen since 9-11.

A number of prominent neo-cons are Jewish, some are dual US-Israeli citizens, and the PNAC manifesto was enunciated by men, many of whom had served as consultants to Netanyahu.

The gatekeeper for what the 9-11 Commission would see and hear (and would NOT see and hear) is a Straussian/neo-con/Zionist/Jew who publicly asserted in 2003 that the threat against which America was going to war against Iraq was not truly a threat to the United States, but a threat to Israel.

That of course is Philip Zelikow, who as co-author of a book with Condi Rice was hardly an investigator independent of the Administration.

Part of Mr. Zelikow's academic work and writing was in the area of creating national myths as a basis for policy-making. Hmmmm.

Am I saying that 9-11 was a Jewish conspiracy? No. But the Official Story has more holes than Swiss cheese, and the diktat -- which seems to apply here at Kos -- that NO ONE MUST QUESTION the official story of an event or series of events has only one parallel I know of, which is that Jewish organizations have lobbied, successfully, to make it a crime to question the extent of the Nazi persecution of the Jews, on pain of imprisonment.

Being a rebellious lad (well, now a rebellious old man) whenever anyone tells me I have to believe x, and cannot question x, I immediately begin both to doubt the truth of x, and to question the good faith of the people telling me what it is that I have to believe.

I note that it is the Simon Weisenthal Center that recently has publicly equated 9-11 skepticism with terrorism and jihadism.

That should make everyone begin to wonder.

What do I want? A new, balls-out, bona fide investigation that assumes nothing. Not politically controlled, no coverup bullshit.

If the Official Story is vindicated, cool. If not, well 3000 murders in my hometown deserves a real investigation. There's no statute of limitations on murder.

But it is disquieting that Jewish organizations are starting the drumbeat of equating doubters of the Official Story with Nazis, or terrorists, or jihadists. If the attacks were allowed to happen in part to further an Israeli agenda, or the neo-cons (not all of whom, of course, are Jewish) actually had a hand in planning the awful deeds, THE WORLD AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO THE UNADORNED TRUTH.

And, if the attacks were so disapproved of by our rulers, but you cannot bring yourself to believe in actual complicity, only that the failure to foresee or to stop the attacks, as they actually unfolded, was the fruit of incompetence, you might ask yourself this: why has no one (at least as far as I know) (possible exception: George Tenet) been fired, demoted, suspended, indicted, court-martialed, forced into retirement, or otherwise made accountable, for this "incompetence"? Why has no one in the military, the intelligence services, the National Guard, the Pentagon, the FAA, any public or quasi-public body lost his job due to this "incompetence" which led to the loss of 3000 lives?

In my experience, when a bad thing happens, and the people at the top really and truly disapprove of it and wish to prevent it from happening again, they fire people, at minimum everyone with substantial responsibility, and often people with marginal responsibility, to serve as examples to others.

When that DOESN'T happen, it is a reasonable inference that (1) the bosses don't really disapprove of the events in question and/or (2) the people who would logically be fired have so much dirt on the bosses, that they can't be fired, lest they tell what they know.

Again, I don't know what that truth is, but the Official Account has much in it that fails to compute. And no one should be ridiculed for pointing that out.

by Kargomania on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 03:31:55 PM PST

[ Parent ]

Uhmmm. Whatever happened to this school of thought?

Originally Posted by VKMHVM2
"Nobody has the time to or even the desire to read boring dissertations when you can get the point across in a few insightful and informative paragraphs, pictures, and even musical pieces. It is very helpful to be brief and concise."

voodoo · 11-21-2007, 01:49 PM

I'm surprised that was not troll rated.

VKMHVM2 · 11-21-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by wayside

Uhmmm. Whatever happened to this school of thought?

Originally Posted by VKMHVM2
"Nobody has the time to or even the desire to read boring dissertations when you can get the point across in a few insightful and informative paragraphs, pictures, and even musical pieces. It is very helpful to be brief and concise."

The poster crammed a lot of very good information into a few short paragraphs. Is that the best you have as a response? I know as a shill you can't actually respond to it.

11-21-2007, 01:03 PM	#45 (permalink)
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11-21-2007, 01:33 PM	#47 (permalink)
VKMHVM2 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 2,843 My Mood: Thanks: 92 Thanked 71 Times in 54 Posts	This is an insightful response to Kos' Ron Paul/911 truth hit piece. http://www.dailykos.com/comments/200...35/81/166#c166 Get This Straight. (5+ / 0-) Recommended by: SecondComing, missreporter, frandor55, brentmack, media whores While there are other possibilities, of course, if the 9-11 caper was not pulled off by the Nineteen Boxcutter Arabs, then the people who most obviously benefited from it are -- as in any crime -- possible suspects. That would include Cheney, Bush, and the neo-cons, who panted in their manifesto, "Rebuilding America's Defenses" for "a New Pearl Harbor," to win popular support for . . . the very policies of endless war and incipient fascism that we have seen since 9-11. A number of prominent neo-cons are Jewish, some are dual US-Israeli citizens, and the PNAC manifesto was enunciated by men, many of whom had served as consultants to Netanyahu. The gatekeeper for what the 9-11 Commission would see and hear (and would NOT see and hear) is a Straussian/neo-con/Zionist/Jew who publicly asserted in 2003 that the threat against which America was going to war against Iraq was not truly a threat to the United States, but a threat to Israel. That of course is Philip Zelikow, who as co-author of a book with Condi Rice was hardly an investigator independent of the Administration. Part of Mr. Zelikow's academic work and writing was in the area of creating national myths as a basis for policy-making. Hmmmm. Am I saying that 9-11 was a Jewish conspiracy? No. But the Official Story has more holes than Swiss cheese, and the diktat -- which seems to apply here at Kos -- that NO ONE MUST QUESTION the official story of an event or series of events has only one parallel I know of, which is that Jewish organizations have lobbied, successfully, to make it a crime to question the extent of the Nazi persecution of the Jews, on pain of imprisonment. Being a rebellious lad (well, now a rebellious old man) whenever anyone tells me I have to believe x, and cannot question x, I immediately begin both to doubt the truth of x, and to question the good faith of the people telling me what it is that I have to believe. I note that it is the Simon Weisenthal Center that recently has publicly equated 9-11 skepticism with terrorism and jihadism. That should make everyone begin to wonder. What do I want? A new, balls-out, bona fide investigation that assumes nothing. Not politically controlled, no coverup bullshit. If the Official Story is vindicated, cool. If not, well 3000 murders in my hometown deserves a real investigation. There's no statute of limitations on murder. But it is disquieting that Jewish organizations are starting the drumbeat of equating doubters of the Official Story with Nazis, or terrorists, or jihadists. If the attacks were allowed to happen in part to further an Israeli agenda, or the neo-cons (not all of whom, of course, are Jewish) actually had a hand in planning the awful deeds, THE WORLD AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO THE UNADORNED TRUTH. And, if the attacks were so disapproved of by our rulers, but you cannot bring yourself to believe in actual complicity, only that the failure to foresee or to stop the attacks, as they actually unfolded, was the fruit of incompetence, you might ask yourself this: why has no one (at least as far as I know) (possible exception: George Tenet) been fired, demoted, suspended, indicted, court-martialed, forced into retirement, or otherwise made accountable, for this "incompetence"? Why has no one in the military, the intelligence services, the National Guard, the Pentagon, the FAA, any public or quasi-public body lost his job due to this "incompetence" which led to the loss of 3000 lives? In my experience, when a bad thing happens, and the people at the top really and truly disapprove of it and wish to prevent it from happening again, they fire people, at minimum everyone with substantial responsibility, and often people with marginal responsibility, to serve as examples to others. When that DOESN'T happen, it is a reasonable inference that (1) the bosses don't really disapprove of the events in question and/or (2) the people who would logically be fired have so much dirt on the bosses, that they can't be fired, lest they tell what they know. Again, I don't know what that truth is, but the Official Account has much in it that fails to compute. And no one should be ridiculed for pointing that out. by Kargomania on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 03:31:55 PM PST [ Parent ] __________________ It's All Here! Dr. Albert Pastore: An Independent Investigation of 9-11 and the War on Terrorism "Missing Links" - the 911 film THEY do NOT want you to see! Last edited by VKMHVM2; 11-21-2007 at 01:36 PM.
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11-21-2007, 01:49 PM	#49 (permalink)
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