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Old 11-30-2007, 01:39 PM   #1001 (permalink)
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He does not submit his chain of custody for the material he claims to have tested.
He does not report where and how he obtained this material.
He does not submit his testing methods.
He does not make available the material to be tested by others.

I wonder if Pete Townshend ever reads this board?
This could easily become the next great rock operetta.
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on that day Steven Jones will roil up and beckon...."


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Old 11-30-2007, 01:41 PM   #1002 (permalink)
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In the absence of light there is darkness. If they are so sure, then, no problemo! Put them out in the light so honorable bush can be vindicated.


They've inadequately done their job. Did I say they were liars? No. Why would you say I did? Because you are a propagandist, pure and simple.
I couldn't care less if there was an investigation. Again, I'm not remotely convinced that all those hundreds and hundreds of experts are lying.
It would be laughed out of court.

I just don't think anybody high up cares enough. Truther don't really affect anything. Silencing people on the internet wouldn't really be worth the time, effort, and money. Especially since the CTers probably wouldn't change their minds anyways.
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:41 PM   #1003 (permalink)
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BTW my personal trainer just had a couple of liberal American friends up to stay and found that they had no idea that a third building had collapsed on 9/11 ... up until they heard that they were firm belivers in the Official Story.
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:43 PM   #1004 (permalink)
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So you can't believe your lying eyes, you depend on someone telling you what you saw?
I'm not a megalomaniac. Ie, I don't think I know better than hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of experts that studied the first hand evidence.
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:43 PM   #1005 (permalink)
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You pulled that out of your ass!

Otherwise, I'd have to assume you are psychic. Despite what you'd have others believe of me, I don't believe in that shit!
And, no I didn't pull this out of my ass...

On September 22, 2005 Jones presented his views on the collapse of the World Trade Center towers and World Trade Center 7 at a BYU seminar attended by about 60 people. Pointing to the speed and symmetry of the collapses, the characteristics of dust jets, and reports of molten metal in the debris, Jones suggested that the evidence defies the mainstream collapse theory and favors explosive demolition. He called for further scientific investigation to test the controlled demolition hypothesis and the release of all relevant data by the government.[11] Shortly after the seminar, Jones placed a paper "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?" on the Physics department web site.

He subsequently defended the research twice more at BYU,[citation needed] also at Idaho State University, Utah Valley State College, University of Colorado at Boulder and University of Denver, the Utah Academy of Science, Sonoma State University, University of California at Berkeley, and the University of Texas at Austin. [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18]

Jones' paper has been the center of controversy both for its content and its claims to scientific rigor.[19] Jones' early critics included members of BYU's engineering faculty;[20] shortly after he made his views public, the BYU College of Physical and Mathematical Sciences and the faculty of structural engineering issued statements in which they distanced themselves from Jones' work. They noted that Jones' "hypotheses and interpretations of evidence were being questioned by scholars and practitioners," and expressed doubts about whether they had been "submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review."[21]

Some of Jones' colleagues have defended his work on 9/11 to varying degrees,[22] and Project Censored lists his 9/11 research among the top mainstream media censored stories of 2007.[23]

Jones maintains that the paper was peer-reviewed prior to publication, though it has never been published in an independent peer-reviewed journal. One journal that has published Jones' paper is the online "Journal of 9/11 Studies", which was co-founded by Jones for the purpose of "covering the whole of research related to 9/11/2001" and is co-edited by him.[24] The paper is also published in Global Outlook,[25] a magazine "seeking to reveal the truth About 9/11"[26] and in a volume of essays edited by David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott.[27]

On September 7, 2006, Jones removed his paper from BYU's website at the request of administrators and was placed on paid leave. [28]

The university cited its concern about the "increasingly speculative and accusatory nature" of Jones' work and the concern that perhaps it had "not been published in appropriate scientific venues" as reasons for putting him under review. The review was to have been conducted at three levels: BYU administration, the College of Physical and Mathematical Sciences, and the Physics Department.[29]

Jones' placement on paid leave drew criticism from the American Association of University Professors and the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. Both organizations are long time critics of BYU's record on academic freedom.[30] Jones "welcomed the review" because he hoped it would "encourage people to read his paper for themselves," however the review was abandoned when Jones elected to retire, effective January 1, 2007.[31]
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I couldn't care less if there was an investigation. Again, I'm not remotely convinced that all those hundreds and hundreds of experts are lying.
It would be laughed out of court.

I just don't think anybody high up cares enough. Truther don't really affect anything. Silencing people on the internet wouldn't really be worth the time, effort, and money. Especially since the CTers probably wouldn't change their minds anyways.
Spoken by a guy who's probably lost in traffic court.

If there had been no investigation, you wouldn't have your precious 120 experts in relevant fields, would you? What would your life be without them???

The higher-ups care enough to quash whatever remaining discourse on the subject there is. So yes, they certainly DO care. A great deal. A great deal more than you.

I'm sure there's a lot of people in NYC who'd love to hear YOUR views. A lot.
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:46 PM   #1007 (permalink)
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I'm not a megalomaniac. Ie, I don't think I know better than hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of experts that studied the first hand evidence.

All except the bulk of it which was whisked away
so that nobody could inspect it.
I don't care how relevant or expert you are
if there's nothing to see you're in the dark.
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:47 PM   #1008 (permalink)
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I couldn't care less if there was an investigation. Again, I'm not remotely convinced that all those hundreds and hundreds of experts are lying.
It would be laughed out of court.
Of course you don't. Regardless of your bogus claims of a low opinion of Bush, you buy his story and the 'experts' who examined only the evidence the Bush administration allowed to be examined. The case is closed for you. It is for Bush as well. Understand the comparison yet, idiot?

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I just don't think anybody high up cares enough.
Wrong. WTF does "high up" mean to you, anyway?

Certainly, you don't care - or at the very least, you care only to the extent that the subject serves to amuse you on message boards.
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Denie, voodoo believes in a 9/11 conspiracy. So does Steven Jones. That means that voodoo thinks steven jones is perfect at almost god like preportions. SJ can now never do any wrong.
Just like how voodoo thinks that sunflower, dadakarma, and vkm win "every argument" against us.

The most frustrating thing about him isn't the fact that he's utterly consumed by this conspiracy... it's the fact that he doesn't know it. He still thinks he's looking at this stuff objectively.
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:49 PM   #1010 (permalink)
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Denie, voodoo believes in a 9/11 conspiracy. So does Steven Jones. That means that voodoo thinks steven jones is perfect at almost god like preportions. SJ can now never do any wrong.
Just like how voodoo thinks that sunflower, dadakarma, and vkm win "every argument" against us.

The most frustrating thing about him isn't the fact that he's utterly consumed by this conspiracy... it's the fact that he doesn't know it. He still thinks he's looking at this stuff objectively.
This could be seen as the pot calling the kettle black on both sides of the line.
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