Save your sanctimonious crap for someone who cares. Part 2 - Page 21

dadakarma · 11-25-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by brian_wilbanks

No I dont know what you do for a living nor do I care...but from talking to you, I do know you're not a sructural engineer...

Whether I am or not is hardly the point. What I said regarding structural integrity's equal compromise is irrefutable.

sunflower · 11-25-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by brian_wilbanks

I dont care if he did.

I'm sure he's covered arson fires before, but that doesnt make him qualified to be an insurance investigator.

he also did a special called "Pot of gold" about people who grow marijuanna. Do you think that made him a botanist by proxy?

But Steven Jones is your only claim to the "lone nut" theorist, eh?

MarkMiller · 11-25-2007, 07:49 PM

voodoo · 11-25-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dadakarma

And it doesn't take a rocket scientist - let alone a structural engineer - to know that for a building to collapse evenly into its own footprint, it would require that the integrity of the structure would have to be equally compromised all the way around.

After all, that is why CD'rs do it that way.

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Originally Posted by dadakarma

Oh, didn't you read his prior posts? Mark's trying to HELP you keep this thread from deteriorating into a flame war. He wants civility and a thoughtful debate.

As long as we know where he stands. Who cares.

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Originally Posted by brian_wilbanks

That sounds like one of those lines from Star Trek when they talk about some subspace modulation that caused their transporter to interface with an altenate dimension.....Sounds good, but it's complete bullshit.

You have not a clue what you're talking about....not a clue....

it's really quite sad.

Subspace and modulation and foot in mouth. Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by brian_wilbanks

yeah...he did.

he's peter jennings...he's a damn news reporter he's not a frigging engineer.

Then how do you explain your 'no free-fall speed theory' tidybowlman?

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Originally Posted by sunflower

He WAS (dead, you know). So he had no experience with reporting about building demolitions, is that what you're saying?

Sigh - and Aaron Russo died of cancer. Being forced to question everything - I wonder if maybe Dan Rather might catch it too.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/25/133550/27

sunflower · 11-25-2007, 07:52 PM

H. Theodore Elden, Jr., B.Arch – Practicing registered architect in West Virginia for over 25 years. Now retired. Graduate of Carnegie Mellon University. Member, American Institute of Architects, West Virginia Chapter. Appointed Member of West Virginia State Board of Architects. Former Member, National Council of Architectural Registration Boards (NCARB), and Member, National Committee, Intern Development Program for Architects (IDP). Professional photographer

Hugo Bachmann, PhD – Professor Emeritus and former Chairman of the Department of Structural Dynamics and Earthquake Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Author and co-author of Erdbebenbemessung von Stahlbetonhochbauten (Seismic Analysis of Concrete Reinforced Structures) (1990), Vibration Problems in Structures: Practical Guidelines (1995), Biege- und Schubversuche an teilweise vorgespannten Leichtbetonbalken (Structural Analysis of Linked Concrete Beams) (1998), Hochbau für Ingenieure. Eine Einführung (Structural Construction for Engineers. An introduction) (2001), Erdbebensicherung von Bauwerken (Earthquake-proofing Buildings) (2002).

Jörg Schneider, Dr hc – Professor Emeritus, Structural Dynamics and Earthquake Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Former President, Joint Committee on Structural Safety, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Elected member of the Swiss Academy of Engineering Sciences. Former Vice President and honorary lifetime member of the International Association for Bridge and Structural Engineering.

David Leifer, BSc, B.Arch, M.Ed, PhD, IEng, ACIBSE – Coordinator, Graduate Programme in Facilities Management, University of Sydney. Formerly taught at University of Auckland (1993 - 2001), University of Queensland (1986 - 1993), Mackintosh School of Architecture (1984 - 1986). Registered Architect. Incorporated Engineer.

David A. Johnson, B.Arch, MCP (City Planning), PhD (Regional Planning), F.AICP – Internationally recognized architect and city and regional planner. Professor Emeritus, Department of Urban and Regional Planning, University of Tennessee. Former Professor and Chair of the Planning Departments at Syracuse University and Ball State University. Elected Fellow, American Institute of Certified Planners (2004). Past President of the Fulbright Association of the United States. Recipient of five Fulbright Scholarships for continued education in Cyprus, India, Thailand, and the Soviet Union. Directed educational projects in Brazil and Portugal. Active in reconstruction efforts in Bosnia and bicommunal peace-making in Cyprus. Former professional planner on the staffs of the Washington National Capital Planning Commission and the Regional Plan Association of New York. Former editorial board member of the Journal of the American Planning Association. Author of numerous journal articles on urban and regional planning theory and history. Author of Planning the Great Metropolis (1996). Co-author of The TVA Regional Planning and Development Program (2005). Contributing author to Two Centuries of American Planning (1988).

Mario Fontana, Dr Sc CE – Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction, Institute of Structural Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Former Director of the Steel Construction Division, Geilinger AG. Author of more than 40 papers on structural engineering.

Danny Jowenko – Proprietor, Jowenko Explosieve Demolitie B.V., a European demolition and construction company, with offices in the Netherlands. Founded 1980, Jowenko Explosieve Demolitie is certified and holds permits to comply with the Dutch Explosives for Civil Use Act and the German Explosives Act. Jowenko's explosives engineers also hold the German Certificate of Qualifications and the European Certificate for Shotfiring issued by The European Federation of Explosive Engineers.

Commander Ted Muga, BS CE, U.S. Navy (ret) – Retired Civil Engineer. Retired Naval aviator (Grumman E-1 and E-2). Retired Pan-Am commercial airline pilot (Boeing 707 and 727).

More?

slowhand · 11-25-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dadakarma

LOL! Yes, that's right - there are only TWO choices here: it took MONTHS, or it was done instantly with a magic wand!

Is that right?..Well Ms know it all..Who did it?..How did they do it?..When did they do it?..How long did it take?..Which floors did they rig?

VKMHVM2 · 11-25-2007, 07:54 PM

Who Told Giuliani the WTC was Going to Collapse on 9/11?

But right before the south tower collapsed, I noticed a lot of people just left the lobby, and I heard we had a crew of all different people, high-level people in government, everybody was gone, almost like they had information that we didn't have. [Joseph Pfeifer, Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)]

“I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.”

Giuliani has subsequently denied making the above comment proving that he has no qualms about lying about an inconvenient truth.

No steel framed building had collapsed through fire prior to 9/11, so how was it known that the World Trade Center was going to collapse? There was no factual or historical basis for this prediction.

When was Giuliani warned?

wayside · 11-25-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wayside

I appreciate the reference but I have a problem with it as a comparative source. The planes are completely different objects.

One is 21,000 lbs. (approx.) and one is 312,000 lbs. (approx.) How can you use that as a comparison?

Am I correct in assuming that there was not a comparative incident that we could use as a "typical" reaction to a commercial jet aircraft crashing into a building? I realize there are conflicting theories as to how a building such as the WTC should react to the trauma of a fully loaded aircraft flying into it, but if this is a unique incident how can we determine, on either side, how these building are "supposed" to fall? It's never happened before.

dadakarma · 11-25-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by slowhand

Is that right?..Well Ms know it all..Who did it?..How did they do it?..When did they do it?..How long did it take?..Which floors did they rig?

Sorry, Slowhand - I'm not the one purporting only 'this' (months) or 'that' (magic wand); apparently YOU'RE the know it all.

White Rabbit · 11-25-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by slowhand

Is that right?..Well Ms know it all..Who did it?..How did they do it?..When did they do it?..How long did it take?..Which floors did they rig?

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sunflower Latin Lover Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Central Fla. Posts: 2,594 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	H. Theodore Elden, Jr., B.Arch – Practicing registered architect in West Virginia for over 25 years. Now retired. Graduate of Carnegie Mellon University. Member, American Institute of Architects, West Virginia Chapter. Appointed Member of West Virginia State Board of Architects. Former Member, National Council of Architectural Registration Boards (NCARB), and Member, National Committee, Intern Development Program for Architects (IDP). Professional photographer Hugo Bachmann, PhD – Professor Emeritus and former Chairman of the Department of Structural Dynamics and Earthquake Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Author and co-author of Erdbebenbemessung von Stahlbetonhochbauten (Seismic Analysis of Concrete Reinforced Structures) (1990), Vibration Problems in Structures: Practical Guidelines (1995), Biege- und Schubversuche an teilweise vorgespannten Leichtbetonbalken (Structural Analysis of Linked Concrete Beams) (1998), Hochbau für Ingenieure. Eine Einführung (Structural Construction for Engineers. An introduction) (2001), Erdbebensicherung von Bauwerken (Earthquake-proofing Buildings) (2002). Jörg Schneider, Dr hc – Professor Emeritus, Structural Dynamics and Earthquake Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Former President, Joint Committee on Structural Safety, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Elected member of the Swiss Academy of Engineering Sciences. Former Vice President and honorary lifetime member of the International Association for Bridge and Structural Engineering. David Leifer, BSc, B.Arch, M.Ed, PhD, IEng, ACIBSE – Coordinator, Graduate Programme in Facilities Management, University of Sydney. Formerly taught at University of Auckland (1993 - 2001), University of Queensland (1986 - 1993), Mackintosh School of Architecture (1984 - 1986). Registered Architect. Incorporated Engineer. David A. Johnson, B.Arch, MCP (City Planning), PhD (Regional Planning), F.AICP – Internationally recognized architect and city and regional planner. Professor Emeritus, Department of Urban and Regional Planning, University of Tennessee. Former Professor and Chair of the Planning Departments at Syracuse University and Ball State University. Elected Fellow, American Institute of Certified Planners (2004). Past President of the Fulbright Association of the United States. Recipient of five Fulbright Scholarships for continued education in Cyprus, India, Thailand, and the Soviet Union. Directed educational projects in Brazil and Portugal. Active in reconstruction efforts in Bosnia and bicommunal peace-making in Cyprus. Former professional planner on the staffs of the Washington National Capital Planning Commission and the Regional Plan Association of New York. Former editorial board member of the Journal of the American Planning Association. Author of numerous journal articles on urban and regional planning theory and history. Author of Planning the Great Metropolis (1996). Co-author of The TVA Regional Planning and Development Program (2005). Contributing author to Two Centuries of American Planning (1988). Mario Fontana, Dr Sc CE – Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction, Institute of Structural Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Former Director of the Steel Construction Division, Geilinger AG. Author of more than 40 papers on structural engineering. Danny Jowenko – Proprietor, Jowenko Explosieve Demolitie B.V., a European demolition and construction company, with offices in the Netherlands. Founded 1980, Jowenko Explosieve Demolitie is certified and holds permits to comply with the Dutch Explosives for Civil Use Act and the German Explosives Act. Jowenko's explosives engineers also hold the German Certificate of Qualifications and the European Certificate for Shotfiring issued by The European Federation of Explosive Engineers. Commander Ted Muga, BS CE, U.S. Navy (ret) – Retired Civil Engineer. Retired Naval aviator (Grumman E-1 and E-2). Retired Pan-Am commercial airline pilot (Boeing 707 and 727). More? __________________ “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act”. *George Orwell* ************************************ The owners of this country know the truth. It's called the American Dream....'cos you have to be asleep to believe it. George Carlin http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...m8fo8ne6xy.gif
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VKMHVM2 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 2,843 My Mood: Thanks: 92 Thanked 71 Times in 54 Posts	Who Told Giuliani the WTC was Going to Collapse on 9/11? But right before the south tower collapsed, I noticed a lot of people just left the lobby, and I heard we had a crew of all different people, high-level people in government, everybody was gone, almost like they had information that we didn't have. [Joseph Pfeifer, Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)] “I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.” Giuliani has subsequently denied making the above comment proving that he has no qualms about lying about an inconvenient truth. No steel framed building had collapsed through fire prior to 9/11, so how was it known that the World Trade Center was going to collapse? There was no factual or historical basis for this prediction. When was Giuliani warned? __________________ It's All Here! Dr. Albert Pastore: An Independent Investigation of 9-11 and the War on Terrorism "Missing Links" - the 911 film THEY do NOT want you to see!
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