Scientific Theory for Controlled Demo Thread.

[Duvidoo]

Originally Posted by Denie

Enough back and forth!!

Did you read the JOM paper and understand it?
Do you agree with it's assessment on the fall or not?

If not, specify what part of the assessment is incorrect and how it is in error.

It said NEAR FREE FALL and your guys say this is false.
I'm quite willing to agree with that paper.

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by slowhand

Also take note of the demo explosions..They are rather loud

Watch this again, and look at all the WTC pictures and videos you please, and if you are honest with yourself, you will see that the CD video I have produced here, and the WTC collapse are apples and oranges

Show me another building brought down by heat related chemical reactions - something like, let me see, THERMITE!

Then, like Newton, those apples falling out of those trees will make more since to you.

Even better, use your copious science chops to explain to me how a 2000 degree temperature can be sustained at the base of all three buildings (is that the same as footprint?) for weeks.

See, the problem with this 'prove your science' is that we don't have the evidence. Those that did hid or obfuscated a lot of it and basically conclude but 'the arabs did it' for sure.

You are barking at the wrong tree.

[Denie]

Originally Posted by Duvidoo

I believe I was quoting what it said on Slowhand's photo ... that debris was forcibly ejected ... but there is no way that 95% of the building did not fall in its footprint.

How is there "no way" ? Because you say so? The debris field was several blocks wide. How could it fall into it's own footprint and spread debris for several blocks?

[dadakarma]

Originally Posted by Denie

Try and get your quotes right...this (below) is what transpired...

Your quote:
My response:As you can clearly see, I was responding to "you're assuming it's a conventional CD" and not something that wasn't even in the quote.

" And since all the evidence (other than what we saw with our own fucking EYES) was deliberately destroyed by BushCo" is not a fact no matter how many times you repeat it."...three buildings fell into their own footprints". This is not a fact and has been know to be a false claim for some years now. Is repeating it over and over on this board not a lie?
You can also disagree that the planets revolve around the sun but claiming otherwise is spreading false information.
The building did not fall "at free fall speed" as you claim.
The collapse took ten seconds to hit bottom at an estimated speed of 124 mph. Had it been a free fall, the collapse would have taken eight seconds reaching a speed of 186 mph.



And, again you bring absolutely not one shred of scientific data to qualify these last few claims.
Why not provide the data when making a claim? What is so hard about this?

Watch this...I'll post from a reviewed paper in an actual science journal (now don't bristle too hard!) and not some t-shirt selling CT site!
Maybe you might just want to skip all the scientific flapdoodle and read the bold print at the bottom.

THE COLLAPSE

Nearly every large building has a redundant design that allows for loss of one primary structural member, such as a column. However, when multiple members fail, the shifting loads eventually overstress the adjacent members and the collapse occurs like a row of dominoes falling down.

The perimeter tube design of the WTC was highly redundant. It survived the loss of several exterior columns due to aircraft impact, but the ensuing fire led to other steel failures. Many structural engineers believe that the weak points—the limiting factors on design allowables—were the angle clips that held the floor joists between the columns on the perimeter wall and the core structure (see Figure 5). With a 700 Pa floor design allowable, each floor should have been able to support approximately 1,300 t beyond its own weight. The total weight of each tower was about 500,000 t.

As the joists on one or two of the most heavily burned floors gave way and the outer box columns began to bow outward, the floors above them also fell. The floor below (with its 1,300 t design capacity) could not support the roughly 45,000 t of ten floors (or more) above crashing down on these angle clips. This started the domino effect that caused the buildings to collapse within ten seconds, hitting bottom with an estimated speed of 200 km per hour. If it had been free fall, with no restraint, the collapse would have only taken eight seconds and would have impacted at 300 km/h.1 It has been suggested that it was fortunate that the WTC did not tip over onto other buildings surrounding the area. There are several points that should be made. First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself. Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure. Third, given the near free-fall collapse, there was insufficient time for portions to attain significant lateral velocity. To summarize all of these points, a 500,000 t structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down.
Source: JOM (Journal of Metals)

Blah, blah, blah, Denie. You're not going to "convince" me that I'm lying when I say the evidence was destroyed (because it was, and the destruction was deliberate); you're not going to convince me that the buildings fell due to fire; you're not going to convince me that you 'have no opinion' about how the buildings fell and that you're simply looking for scientifically-proven data, etc., etc.

Next....

[Duvidoo]

Originally Posted by Denie

How is there "no way" ? Because you say so? The debris field was several blocks wide. How could it fall into it's own footprint and spread debris for several blocks?

We obviously have different definitions of falling in one's footprint.

[slowhand]

Originally Posted by Duvidoo

Since when are all CDs exactly the same?
That video was of a piddley small building
while the buildings in question were the tallest
buildings in the world. A real CD? Huh?

Demolição Prédio em..." target="_blank">Demolição Prédio em...

Woodward's Building..." target="_blank">Woodward's Building...

building..." target="_blank">building...

Intel building..." target="_blank">Intel building...

Let me know when you've had enough

[dadakarma]

Originally Posted by Duvidoo

So that's something only a certified Bushbot is allowed to do?
I get to do whatever the fuck I please, teacher.
Now I'm going to the cafeteria for a smoke. Hrumph.

Got one for me? I'll join you!

[Denie]

Originally Posted by voodoo

Show me another building brought down by heat related chemical reactions - something like, let me see, THERMITE!

Then, like Newton, those apples falling out of those trees will make more since to you.

Even better, use your copious science chops to explain to me how a 2000 degree temperature can be sustained at the base of all three buildings (is that the same as footprint?) for weeks.

Ok thermite boy. First show us how thermite can be placed on a vertical surface and be made to cut horizontally. Then show how thermite can cut in precise timing to drop the building in the time a was it fell.

Or is it you are hypothesizing that unknown physics and laws were used in your thermite theory?

[dadakarma]

Originally Posted by Duvidoo

Since when are all CDs exactly the same?
That video was of a piddley small building
while the buildings in question were the tallest
buildings in the world. A real CD? Huh?

LOL! Good luck with that one, Duv!

Ask slowhand and Wilbanks. There ARE no other ways to demolish a building except for the 'conventional' kind that they're experts on!

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by Denie

How is there "no way" ? Because you say so? The debris field was several blocks wide. How could it fall into it's own footprint and spread debris for several blocks?

That's a good point - show me another building - not demo'd that does that.

Originally Posted by slowhand

Let me know when you've had enough

No way - keep them coming - you'll be a truther before you can say clankety-clunk

Originally Posted by dadakarma

Got one for me? I'll join you!

Smoking kills. Just say no.