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Old 12-02-2007, 05:04 AM   #11 (permalink)
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. P. Bazant and Y. Zhou, "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?", Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics News, vol. 34, No. 8 (October, 2001).

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf
this was an interesting paragraph......I bet Judy Wood took note

EDIT..this paragraph is an answer for the "clankity clank" kooker lady
Judy Wood's revision of newtons laws had the jet bouncing of the building

hard to keep those truthers pseudo-science straight, especially before I achieve sufficient caffeine blood levels


"it has been suggested that the inelastic deformation of columns might have "cushioned the intitial descent of the upper part, making it almost static. However, this is impossible because, for gravity loading, a softening of the load-deflection diagram always causes instability and precludes static deformation..........and it's intergration shows that the time that the upper part takes to fall through the height of one story is, for cold columns, only about 6 % longer than the duration of a free fall from that height, which is 0.87 seconds. For hot columns, the difference is of course, much less that 6%So there is hardly any 'cushioning'
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Old 12-02-2007, 08:04 AM   #12 (permalink)
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More good stuff from your link Denie...

"Problems of Disaster mitigation and Design.....
Designing tall buildings to withstands this sort of attack seems next to impossible. It would require a much thicker insulation of steel, with BLAST-RESISTANT protective cover. Replacing the rectangular framed tube by a hardened circular monolithic tube with tiny windows might help to deflect much of the debris and fuel from an impacting aircraft sideways, but regardless of cost, who would want to work in such a building?..the problems appear to be equally severe for the concrete columns because concrete heated to such temperatures undergoes explosive thermal spalling, thermal fracture and disintegration due to dehydration of hardened cement pastes."
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. P. Bazant and Y. Zhou, "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?", Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics News, vol. 34, No. 8 (October, 2001).

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf
A very interesting read. I would like to see something of equal caliber to rebut this. Anyone have a reference?
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I'm still stuck on my empirical verbigirations paradigm but as soon as I warp back to reality ...

Seriously, peer review != science.

"When the gov is wrong it is dangerous to be right"

So, in terms of our little neck of the world - you might try to debunk his science - I'm not a scientist but I'd start with something like.

1) Did he use a thermometer rather than a spectrometer to identify thermite?
2) Do the samples match the admins?
What are you talking about?
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A very interesting read. I would like to see something of equal caliber to rebut this. Anyone have a reference?
There are more...just none that I can find in rebut. Apparently none that the truther so many times claimed to have as well.
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There are more...just none that I can find in rebut. Apparently none that the truther so many times claimed to have as well.
do you suppose Yong Zhou is related to Chernoff?

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do you suppose Yong Zhou is related to Chernoff?

LMAO!! I'm sure we could some how speculate on an assumption of a 3rd party hearsay with multiple extrapolations to get there.
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do you suppose Yong Zhou is related to Chernoff?


More likely related to Foek Yong Zhou (or maybe Sook-Yin Lee).
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here's more about the Ronan collapse that the paper mentioned...
I just thought it was interesting...not trying to derail the thread

http://www.shadyoldlady.com/location.php?loc=1144


Ronan Point Collapse, in London



This is where the Ronan Point tower block collapsed.
Location: Clever Road, Canning Town, London

Description: It was here in 1968 that a tower block collapsed and sent shockwaves through the tower block construction industry.

In 1986 all 9 of the Freemasons Estate towers were demolished and subsequently replaced with the sensible terraced housing you see here today.

At 5.45am on 16 May 1968, fifty-two year old Ivy Hodge decided to make an early morning cuppa. She struck a match and set off a gas explosion which resulted in the collapse of one corner of her 20 storey tower block, Ronan Point. She survived but 4 others died as her south east corner of the block collapsed from the top to the ground.

Although Ronan Point was repaired (it was careless building work rather than a design fault that cause the catastrophic collapse) it was the beginning of the end for high rise system built blocks.

Because the building had just opened, three of the four flats immediately above Miss Hodge's were unoccupied. Out of the 260 residents of the building, four people were immediately killed in the collapse, and seventeen were injured, including a young mother who was stranded on a narrow ledge when the rest of her living room disappeared. Miss Hodge survived, despite being blown across the room by the explosion - as did her gas stove, which she took to her new address after the explosion.
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and more about buillding collapse, note the points about Ronan and the Murrow building

http://dir.salon.com/story/books/rev.../07/13/wearne/
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