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Old 12-04-2007, 03:40 PM   #261 (permalink)
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your "logic" has a FDNY commander destroying a building for Silverstein

They are spinning out of control.

All you have to do is look at the evolution of the conspiracy on these boards...

In the beginning the twin towers were obviously brought down by CD....the pictures proved it.

Then after that was shown to be horseshit, Thermite creeps into the equation....and now that has evolved into mini-nukes and space rays.
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Old 12-04-2007, 03:41 PM   #262 (permalink)
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it would have to be more than a "few hundred" EC, there were 100 plus forensic experts assigned to the pentagon alone

I don't see any motive for a stateside pathologist to be involved in a conspiracy to cover-up a mass murder of their own citizens.
You do know about the major cover-up of the wounds inflicted on JFK, don't you? That involved doctors, pathologists, forensic experts, etc.
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They are spinning out of control.

All you have to do is look at the evolution of the conspiracy on these boards...

In the beginning the twin towers were obviously brought down by CD....the pictures proved it.

Then after that was shown to be horseshit, Thermite creeps into the equation....and now that has evolved into mini-nukes and space rays.
You ought to quit while you're behind.
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Old 12-04-2007, 03:54 PM   #264 (permalink)
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They are spinning out of control.

All you have to do is look at the evolution of the conspiracy on these boards...

In the beginning the twin towers were obviously brought down by CD....the pictures proved it.

Then after that was shown to be horseshit, Thermite creeps into the equation....and now that has evolved into mini-nukes and space rays.
and throwing doctors and FDNY under the conspiracy bus....
Everyone is in on it!!!!!!

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Old 12-04-2007, 04:04 PM   #265 (permalink)
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You do know about the major cover-up of the wounds inflicted on JFK, don't you? That involved doctors, pathologists, forensic experts, etc.
Well, she's not answering...
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Old 12-04-2007, 04:17 PM   #266 (permalink)
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Well, she's not answering...
That's okay; I'll supply the answer here:

In 1965, Dr. [Cyril] Wecht undertook an analysis of the Warren Report for the American Academy of Forensic Sciences. Then in 1972, he was the first non-government forensic pathologist permitted to observe and study the Kennedy autopsy materials that were preserved in the National Archives. To his mind, the way the entire incident had been handled was appalling: the autopsy had been superficial and the investigation incomplete. He concluded that the Warren Commission's "lone assassin, single bullet" theory could not be supported. Further, Wecht was dismayed to discover that certain key items were missing: photographs of Kennedy's internal chest wounds, glass slides of his skin wound, and most importantly, President Kennedy's brain. How could something so significant to the case be missing? That August, Wecht helped The New York Times break this news.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal...cht/index.html

Dr.Crenshaw attended to JFK when he was brought to Parkland Hospital. He,as well as other attending Doctors,were silent for several reasons about the President's wounds.There was no autopsy done at Parkland Hospital because the body was taken away by Feds and taken back to Washington,where an autopsy was carried out many,many hours later.The whys and wherefores of this is covered in the book and in many other books,etc.

What is different here is that Dr.Crenshaw,felt he could no longer remain silent about what he saw as wounds as they tried to save his life and what was reported and accepted by the Warren Commission.

Dr.Crenshaw unequivocally maintains there was one or more bullet entries in the front of the skull and a large section of the right rear of the skull had been destroyed by an exit of the bullet.

If the skull and other evidence is still available it should still be possible to determine if the Doctor was right. Much has been said about the autopsy in Washington and the state of the evidence. Furthermore,there has been a 75 year freeze put on access to the evidence and investigations.

Dr.Crenshaw died in 2001.
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The Warren Commission, with the help of the autopsy doctors and an autopsy report whose authenticity is open to question, decided that the Dallas doctors were all wrong, and that Kennedy had been hit with two bullets from the rear. One of these bullets, later named the "magic" bullet by critics, is said to have entered the back of Kennedy's neck, exited his throat, entered Governor Connally's back, broken a rib and exited his chest, then smashed a wrist and finally entered Connally's thigh, leaving a fragment there and later falling out. This bullet, containing rifling marks matching Oswald's weapon, was mysteriously found on a stretcher in Parkland hospital after the shooting.

The Commission was hard-pressed to find any of its own expert witnesses to bless this "single bullet theory." Lead autopsy prosector Dr. Humes, referring to the fragments in Connally's body and the nearly pristine bullet, said "I can't conceive of where they came from this missile." The single bullet theory also required that the bullet enter Kennedy's back several inches higher than the spot where holes in the President's jacket and shirt were measured to be by the FBI. This lower location for the wound was also noted on an autopsy drawing, observed by several witnesses including Secret Service and FBI agents, and measured more accurately in the long-suppressed death certificate. But the Warren Commissioners moved the wound upwards to fit their theory. The HSCA, relying on autopsy photographs, determined that the entrance was indeed lower down on Kennedy's back.

The single bullet theory is the tip of a rotten iceberg of false and misleading statements, missing photographs, missing tissue slides and a missing brain, lack of a chain of custody for nearly all key evidence, a huge number of actual witnesses whose statements don't fit the "hard" evidence, and findings reached in contradiction to known facts.

The location where three autopsy doctors measured the entrance of the fatal bullet on JFK's skull, for instance, doesn't match a trajectory from the Book Depository. Conveniently, the Clark Panel and HSCA later found that the autopsy doctors were simply mistaken, and that the true entrance location was 4 inches higher on the skull! This takes the notion of a "bungled" autopsy into new territory, to be sure. The higher location was partly buttressed by an apparent metal bullet fragment on one of the X-rays. This large disc-shaped fragment was far larger than any noted during the autopsy. Dr. David Mantik, using optical density analysis, compared this X-ray with another X-ray taken at a different angle. He found that the supposed fragment has been superimposed onto one X-ray, and is not to be found on the other. This finding has yet to be challenged in a scientific test.

The suppressed interviews of autopsy witnesses by the HSCA staff, never shown to that body's own medical panel, contain stark indications of medical coverup. Coupled with stunning new interviews conducted by the ARRB in the 1990s, there is now every reason to call the "hard" medical evidence into question. Other evidence in the assassination, particularly the false stories of a Communist conspiracy, have provided the motive for a government coverup. That this coverup included the medical evidence, and extended even to the tampering with autopsy photographs and X-rays and other basic medical documents, is now the best explanation for a tangled web of contradiction.
http://history-matters.com/medcoverup.htm
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These people think they're living in the fucking matrix.. They think everyone is plotting against them.

I wonder what you would have said to the Jews of Europe in the late 1930s? My grandfather actually believed that he and his family would be spared because they hardly ever practiced their religion. Twilight Zone, indeed.
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Old 12-04-2007, 07:02 PM   #268 (permalink)
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I wonder what you would have said to the Jews of Europe in the late 1930s? My grandfather actually believed that he and his family would be spared because they hardly ever practiced their religion. Twilight Zone, indeed.
This isn't 1930
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This isn't 1930

There's a thread here outlining some of the parallels.
Not that I like fearmongering.
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There's a thread here outlining some of the parallels.
Not that I like fearmongering.

I've read similar stuff before.

Syre there are similarities, but there are also some major differences between the two eras.
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