Originally Posted by dadakarma

They reveal their own presumptuousness when the 'demand' that we give them specifics about who did what, when, how, etc. - because THEY are so confidently 'certain' of what happened.

Originally Posted by Denie

Funny you keep pushing for a opinion in a thread that you started for only scientific evidence. So much for you staying on-topic in your own thread!!

You seem to think I'll answer yes or no to vague question.
Do I think it's possible that Bush may have had some kind of forewarning of the 9/11 events? YES. Is there scientific evidence to prove that? NO.

Do I think that Bush had ordered the entire thing? No. Is there scientific evidence to prove that? NO.

The fact that you and others don't like my qualified answer instead of the black and white answer you want, doesn't mean I've not answered.

It only means you don't like my answer because it doesn't fit into your myopic paradigm.

Originally Posted by sunflower

Actually, anhailla, I'll tell you a true story. Seems that there's this woman, who knew something was wrong with her, and went from doctor to doctor to doctor, and they all told her there was nothing wrong. She insisted she knew her own body, and kept searching for answers about her health. Finally, after literally hundreds of specialists, she went to see a doctor and he discovered what was wrong with her - ovarian cancer. And because she was so insistent, she was able to be treated, and lived to tell the story.

You'll never guess who that woman is.

Originally Posted by anhailla

apologies? excuses?

it was Sf's analogy...

Originally Posted by White Rabbit

You know you are my master piece of making someone look like a fool.

Originally Posted by Denie

That's true. One the reverse of that there is many documented cases when parents refuse to believe the diagnosis and treatment of several doctors on their child and the child later dies.

Now what?

So, if you go to the doctor and he tells you you have cancer, and then to 100 others and they all say you have cancer, but the 102 nd doctor tells you you're fine, no cancer...who do you believe?

Originally Posted by anhailla

actually, in reality your scenerio is much more common than 120 physicians missing a diagnosis.

Of course doctors mis-diagnosis...but 100?
never seen that.

Originally Posted by dadakarma

Actually her analogy (and mine, of my mother's) is a good one. A point I didn't mention about my mother and her 'instincts' (and symptoms) is how many of the misdiagnosing EXPERTS, subtly or overtly, treated her like a hypochondriac. As though her complaints and concerns were "crazy". So not only had they already dismissed her complaints because of how they'd judged the complainer, but it became all too clear that that judgment influenced how vigorously they pursued the symptoms of the elusive disease killing her. Once they'd decided it was 'all in her head', they slapped their diagnosis on her (eating disorder, etc.) and stopped LOOKING.

Is that still too NUANCED for you, Anhailla?

Originally Posted by anhailla

who said it was nuanced at all?
your talking about your mother be ill and dying which is incredibly sad. that's my comment.