Okay here's the challenge to all 911 debaters! - Page 4

slowhand · 12-01-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

Wrong. It is a fact. The FBI itself does not say Osama is guilty of 9/11.

No shit?..Maybe cuz he's still at large, and hasnt been brought to trial

Denie · 12-01-2007, 10:13 AM

Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical and properly documented in accordance with scientific method such as is applicable to the particular field of inquiry [citation needed]. Standards for evidence may vary according to whether the field of inquiry is among the natural sciences or social sciences.

So we agree to the above definition. Scientific evidence is expected to be in accordance with Scientific method.
Now let's define Scienific Method from your same source

Scientific Method:

Scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. It is based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning. The scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.

Although procedures vary from one field of inquiry to another, identifiable features distinguish scientific inquiry from other methodologies of knowledge. Scientific researchers propose hypotheses as explanations of phenomena, and design experimental studies to test these hypotheses. These steps must be repeatable in order to predict dependably any future results. Theories that encompass wider domains of inquiry may bind many hypotheses together in a coherent structure. This in turn may help form new hypotheses or place groups of hypotheses into context.

Among other facets shared by the various fields of inquiry is the conviction that the process must be objective to reduce a biased interpretation of the results. Another basic expectation is to document, archive and share all data and methodology so it is available for careful scrutiny by other scientists, thereby allowing other researchers the opportunity to verify results by attempting to reproduce them. This practice, called full disclosure, also allows statistical measures of the reliability of these data to be established.

As you can see, speculation about mysterious or inconsistant events is not scientific evidence.

Now what evidence that you posted thus far meets the criteria of the scientific method?
Remember, scientific evidence is to be in accordance to scientific method.

slowhand · 12-01-2007, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

Wrong. It is a fact. The FBI itself does not say Osama is guilty of 9/11.

The indictments currently listed on the posters allow them to be arrested and brought to justice. Future indictments may be handed down as various investigations proceed in connection to other terrorist incidents, for example, the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm

The FBI didn't say he's not guilty either..They say he is a suspect

Duvidoo · 12-01-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by slowhand

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...twintowers.htm

http://www.supportthetruth.com/jones.php

http://www.improbablecollapse.com/screens2/jones.html

So who has officially charged him with perjury?

Duvidoo · 12-01-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by slowhand

The indictments currently listed on the posters allow them to be arrested and brought to justice. Future indictments may be handed down as various investigations proceed in connection to other terrorist incidents, for example, the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm

The FBI didn't say he's not guilty either..They say he is a suspect

They've had more than six years. The change could have been made overnight. His latest broadcast took full credit for 9/11. So go get the bastard. I'd do it but not being American, they'd probably shilly shally about handing over the reward.

slowhand · 12-01-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Duvidoo

So who has officially charged him with perjury?

I did!!..

VKMHVM2 · 12-01-2007, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slowhand

No shit?..Maybe cuz he's still at large, and hasnt been brought to trial

That's going to be a very hard thing to do.

Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper:
al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633

News of Bin Laden's Death
and Funeral 10 days ago

Islamabad -
A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned that 30 of al-Qa'da fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. In the farewell ceremony to his final rest guns were fired in the air. The official stated that it is difficult to pinpoint the burial location of bin Laden because according to the Wahhabi tradition no mark is left by the grave. He stressed that it is unlikely that the American forces would ever uncover any traces of bin Laden.

slowhand · 12-01-2007, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duvidoo

They've had more than six years. The change could have been made overnight. His latest broadcast took full credit for 9/11. So go get the bastard. I'd do it but not being American, they'd probably shilly shally about handing over the reward.

Yes they have, and Im not happy about it either..Something stinks about that

White Rabbit · 12-01-2007, 11:12 AM

Lets cut to the chase yes or no. Truthfully do you believe 911 was an inside job Denie?

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Originally Posted by Denie

to scientific method.

slowhand · 12-01-2007, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

That's going to be a very hard thing to do.

Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper:
al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633

News of Bin Laden's Death
and Funeral 10 days ago

Islamabad -
A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned that 30 of al-Qa'da fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. In the farewell ceremony to his final rest guns were fired in the air. The official stated that it is difficult to pinpoint the burial location of bin Laden because according to the Wahhabi tradition no mark is left by the grave. He stressed that it is unlikely that the American forces would ever uncover any traces of bin Laden.

Bin Ladens death is pure speculation..You seem so sure he is dead..In your case its not speculation..Its propaganda

Here..Take your pick..Take a chance..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,215301,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5374160.stm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n2035766.shtml

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...binladen_x.htm

Quote:

PARIS (AP) — A leaked French intelligence document raises the possibility Osama bin Laden died of typhoid, but President Jacques Chirac said Saturday the report was "in no way whatsoever confirmed" and officials from Kabul to Washington expressed skepticism about its accuracy.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe...den/index.html

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1407712006

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14963302/

http://usliberals.about.com/b/2005/1...ed-in-pakistan-

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...006506,00.html

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp...20020912d.html

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Denie Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 794 My Mood: Thanks: 38 Thanked 18 Times in 15 Posts	Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical and properly documented in accordance with scientific method such as is applicable to the particular field of inquiry [citation needed]. Standards for evidence may vary according to whether the field of inquiry is among the natural sciences or social sciences. So we agree to the above definition. Scientific evidence is expected to be in accordance with Scientific method. Now let's define Scienific Method from your same source Scientific Method: Scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. It is based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning. The scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses. Although procedures vary from one field of inquiry to another, identifiable features distinguish scientific inquiry from other methodologies of knowledge. Scientific researchers propose hypotheses as explanations of phenomena, and design experimental studies to test these hypotheses. These steps must be repeatable in order to predict dependably any future results. Theories that encompass wider domains of inquiry may bind many hypotheses together in a coherent structure. This in turn may help form new hypotheses or place groups of hypotheses into context. Among other facets shared by the various fields of inquiry is the conviction that the process must be objective to reduce a biased interpretation of the results. Another basic expectation is to document, archive and share all data and methodology so it is available for careful scrutiny by other scientists, thereby allowing other researchers the opportunity to verify results by attempting to reproduce them. This practice, called full disclosure, also allows statistical measures of the reliability of these data to be established. As you can see, speculation about mysterious or inconsistant events is not scientific evidence. Now what evidence that you posted thus far meets the criteria of the scientific method? Remember, scientific evidence is to be in accordance to scientific method.
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