Okay here's the challenge to all 911 debaters! - Page 5

wayside · 12-01-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

That's going to be a very hard thing to do.

Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper:
al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633

News of Bin Laden's Death
and Funeral 10 days ago

Islamabad -
A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned that 30 of al-Qa'da fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. In the farewell ceremony to his final rest guns were fired in the air. The official stated that it is difficult to pinpoint the burial location of bin Laden because according to the Wahhabi tradition no mark is left by the grave. He stressed that it is unlikely that the American forces would ever uncover any traces of bin Laden.

Here's some dialog from the movie "Slap Shot." Seems to fit right in here.

"Hey, JG, Jimmy, come over here. Listen to this. "Unidentified but reliable sources have informed the Times Herald that a St Petersburg, Florida retirement community is negotiating with the Charlestown Hockey Corporation for the purchase of the Chiefs." It's right there, Reg. Look at that. Yeah! Dickie Dunn wrote this. It's gotta be true. Fantastic! "

I wonder if Dickie Dunn wrote the bin Laden piece? If so, "it's gotta be true."

VKMHVM2 · 12-01-2007, 11:57 AM

Osama bin who?

Israel does not view bin Laden as a threat. [Janes]

Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen

Israeli sources said Israel and the United States assess that Bin Laden probably died in the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan in December. They said the emergence of new messages by Bin Laden are probably fabrications, Middle East Newsline reported. [World Tribune]

slowhand · 12-01-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

Osama bin who?

Israel does not view bin Laden as a threat. [Janes]

Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen

Israeli sources said Israel and the United States assess that Bin Laden probably died in the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan in December. They said the emergence of new messages by Bin Laden are probably fabrications, Middle East Newsline reported. [World Tribune]

And this is relevant to what?..Do you think for just once we can go down a different path?..WTF!!!!!!!

Denie · 12-01-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by White Rabbit

Lets cut to the chase yes or no. Truthfully do you believe 911 was an inside job Denie?

I thought you wanted scientific evidence regarding 9/11? What I believe has nothing to do with scientific evidence.

With that said, the scientific evidence I get from science/engineering journals is what I base my opinion on, not the NIST report and not CT websites.

Inside job? To what degree? Did Bush have intell that may have stopped 9/11 and ignored it? Possibly and I'd not put it past him. Do I have proof of that? No. Did Bush plan the entire event including CD? Doubtful. Is there any scientific evidence to suppot that? No, there is none.

White Rabbit · 12-01-2007, 12:25 PM

I have to read between the lines and say that's a no it's not an inside job.

Read my post here. http://www.politicalgroove.com/showt...3448#post33448

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Originally Posted by Denie

I thought you wanted scientific evidence regarding 9/11? What I believe has nothing to do with scientific evidence.

With that said, the scientific evidence I get from science/engineering journals is what I base my opinion on, not the NIST report and not CT websites.

Inside job? To what degree? Did Bush have intell that may have stopped 9/11 and ignored it? Possibly and I'd not put it past him. Do I have proof of that? No. Did Bush plan the entire event including CD? Doubtful. Is there any scientific evidence to suppot that? No, there is none.

Denie · 12-01-2007, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

We can debate on and on and on endlessly, but the fact of the matter is 9/11 is an unsolved crime and needs to be treated as such. The USA (and its allies) had no right to go into Afghanistan and Iraq as retaliation for 9/11.

I'd agree with this statement save for the Afganistan part. Osama and his band of zealots did claim responibility. Iraq was a complete lie as regards to being involved in any way.

To qualify why I agree to it being an unsolved crime is that we have a good idea what happend, but unit the perpertators are brought to trial, it will remain a unsolved crime. This hold true just as it would for any murder in which much evidence points to a guilty party, but, for whatever reasons, can't be brought to trial.

Denie · 12-01-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by White Rabbit

I have to read between the lines and say that's a no it's not and inside job.

Read my post here. http://www.politicalgroove.com/showt...3448#post33448

I think I was quite clear in qualifying my statement. Staying it was a "inside job" is a vague statement and is left to much interpretation.

There is no need to "read between the lines", assume, extrapolate, add conjecture or any other such things.

Again, why are you asking for one's beliefs in a thread where you claim to want only scientific evidence?

White Rabbit · 12-01-2007, 12:59 PM

Yes or no? Is it that hard for you Denie? Because if you can't answer a simple question like that god know what will happen when the questions get harder.

http://www.politicalgroove.com/showt...3471#post33471

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Originally Posted by Denie

I think I was quite clear in qualifying my statement. Staying it was a "inside job" is a vague statement and is left to much interpretation.

There is no need to "read between the lines", assume, extrapolate, add conjecture or any other such things.

Again, why are you asking for one's beliefs in a thread where you claim to want only scientific evidence?

Denie · 12-01-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by White Rabbit

Yes or no? Is it that hard for you Denie? Because if you can't answer a simple question like that god know what will happen when the questions get harder.

http://www.politicalgroove.com/showt...3471#post33471

Sorry WR, I'm not so simple-minded as to take your bait. If you want a yes or no answer, you define exactly what you claim the parameters of a "inside job" are.

Again, I'll ask why you're asking this in a thread you specifically say is for scientific evidence?

White Rabbit · 12-01-2007, 02:10 PM

The term inside job colloquially refers to a crime, usually larceny or embezzlement, committed by a person with a position of trust who is authorized to access a location or procedure with little or no supervision, e.g., a key employee or manager. The perpetrator can also be a former employee who still has specialized knowledge necessary to ensure the optimum result of committing the crime.

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Originally Posted by Denie

Sorry WR, I'm not so simple-minded as to take your bait. If you want a yes or no answer, you define exactly what you claim the parameters of a "inside job" are.

Again, I'll ask why you're asking this in a thread you specifically say is for scientific evidence?

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