White Rabbit

This thread is dedicated to scientific evidence. No name calling and all the rest of the flaming that has gone on for years.

This means you present scientific evidence period. No conjecture speculation and nothing about Jewish involvement.

The rules are simple you present a fact and other will respond to it. No name calling about sites, people and all the rest.

In my 3 years of doing this I have never seen a forum that can do this on 911.


Let the game begin!


Red Flags

Leaps of Faith Required to Accept the Official Story

There are many red flags in the official story of September 11th that passed right by the vast majority of people. Not the least is that the official story was so quick to emerge. Within hours of the attack Osama bin Laden was presented as the prime suspect. His picture was repeatedly shown on TV alongside images of the devastation in Lower Manhattan, a technique known as Pavlovian conditioning. A list of most of the hijackers was presented within a day of the attack. Mohammed Atta was presented as the ringleader within hours. The curious building "collapses" in Manhattan were immediately claimed to be inevitable. The "case closed" technical paper about the building collapses was published on September 13th, two days after the attack.

Some of the other red flags include:

• The hijacked flights all flew long routes taking them far from their targets exposing them to certain interception given standard operating procedures.
• The towering infernos were said to burn with the heat of nuclear power plants, despite sooty black smoke and few visible flames.
• The building collapses were presented as inevitable, even though such behavior was unheard of in steel structures.
• Flight 93 was confidently portrayed as a crash due to a struggle, despite strong evidence it was shot down.
• An extensive paper trail of the hijackers was found within hours of the attack, even though the same people had supposedly eluded authorities for years.
• The same hijackers who pulled off aerobatic maneuvers with large jets were flight school flunkies who had never flown jets.
• The FBI claimed that the passport from one of Flight 11's hijackers was found blocks from the towers (when the only other parts of the jetliner that penetrated the tower were a few pieces of landing gear).
• Several hijackers turned up alive after the attack.
• 1000 bodies vanished at Ground Zero, despite DNA identification procedures that could identify individuals from small fragments of bodies.
• Flight 77 crashed into Wedge 1 of the Pentagon -- the one portion of the building that was sparsely occupied due to undergoing renovations, which included blast-hardening of the exterior walls.
• The supposedly fanatically devout Muslim hijackers were fond of strip bars.
• The video of Osama bin Laden that has him taking credit for the attack doesn't even look like him.

anhailla

I thought that was Denie's intentions...but ok

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anhailla

The 93 transcripts do indeed show a struggle and conversation by the highjackers as well as the numerous phone calls made to family members, and most of the calls were made from the airphones, but the bottom line is some cell calls DID get through.
The cockpit recorder recording the last hour of the flight.
That's EVIDENCE.

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VKMHVM2

THE FINAL MOMENTS OF FLIGHT 93 - A CLOSE LOOK AT THE RADIO TRAFFIC

To start with, here is an mp3 recording of the air traffic controllers during the moments leading up to the crash of United Flight 93. It lasts 3 minutes and 58 seconds.

In the tape, there are two communications which purport to be from the hijacked aircraft.

The first transmission is at 1 minute and 14 seconds into the recording. [mp3 download]

The second transmission is at 2 minutes and 3 seconds into the recording. [mp3 download]

There is a very noticeable tone overlaying the supposed communications from United Flight 93. This tone is at 440 Hz and is the frequency of aircraft alternating power. If you listen carefully, you can hear the same tone at a much lower level on some of the other aircraft communications. My question is why the radio transmitting from what is supposed to be United Flight 93 has such a pronounced tone. When compared to the other aircraft (indeed to other air traffic tapes from other incidents such as TWA 800) it is clear that something is very unusual about this radio. It is easy to suspect that we are not really hearing Flight 93 but an unshielded aircraft radio somewhere on the ground quickly wired to an aircraft power supply to "spoof" the controllers.

Now then, let us filter out that tone.

Here is the filtered version of the first transmission.

Note the claim that they have a bomb on board the plane.

Here is the filtered version of the second transmission.

This radio transmission clearly mentions a list of demands! If indeed this transmission is coming from Flight 93, then the hijackers believe that they are planning to land the plane at some point and trade hostages for whatever those demands are. They do not appear to be aware of a plan to crash into a building. More to the point if this is what the hijackers are saying, then this is what the passengers of Flight 93 also think.

And here is the most important part. From the transmission about a list of demands to the first report of a puff of smoke in the air where Flight 93 was flying at altitude is just 45 seconds. From the transmission about the list of demands it is clear that the hijacker is untroubled by any unruly passengers. We know the plane is at 35,000 feet altitude, as that is the confirmation the controller is asking for as the tape starts. The only way that United Airlines Flight 93 could have crashed in the 45 seconds after the second transmission regarding the list of demands would have been to point nose directly down and power down the whole way without any interruption. This leaves no time for the passengers to burst through the door, or the hijacker pilot to react. Any struggle over the controls would have sent the plane spiralling across the sky, pointed up as much as down.

Therefore, if these radio transmissions are genuine, we now know two facts. The hijackers were talking about a list of demands, not suicide. And the story of the passengers crashing the plane during a fight with the hijackers simply could not have happened that way.

See also: Flight 93: Proof of 9/11 Lies by the US Government and Media

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White Rabbit

Prove it show it. Your not being scientific by not bringing your evidence to the table. It could be something you could have pulled out of your ass. We want proof.
Post it here for examination.

slowhand

slowhand

Thats different..

VKMHVM2

I just showed that she was full of shit as usual, WR. The transmissions do not support her BS.

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slowhand

Ba ba bing bing bing bing bing bing bing

Teri B.

Good for you Rabbit for trying to find some peace around here. I never get involved in these threads much. I find them mind boggling really. Are those on the opposition side actually interested in this subject? If so, then great! Have a rational discussion about it. If not, find something else to do, unless it's just the shit slinging they like so much.

I'm baffled by this whole 9/11 discussion thing. The circular, repetitive nature of it would drive me batshit. That's why I quit having discussions on religion. It's a subject I find fascinating, but I'd already said everything I had to say, twice, and heard everything folks could come up with, six times. I got bored with it. Don't people who aren't truthers ever get bored with sharing all their pithy, sarcastic little retorts?