Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor - Page 3

VKMHVM2 · 12-07-2007, 09:43 PM

Stinnett agrees with what FDR did.

Circus · 12-07-2007, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

Hitler was stupid enough to think that Pearl Harbor really had caught us off guard. He fell for it.

Hitler thought that the United States would focus all their energy on Japan for at least a couple of years.
He thought he was close to defeating the Soviet Union, thus giving him a landline to harbours on the sea of Japan. They could then join forces in the Pacific battle.

VKMHVM2 · 12-07-2007, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Circus

Can you explain to me why the US had to conspire to intentionally lose the battle at Pearl Harbour?
Wouldn't Japan invading be enough to persuade the American public?

It got Hitler to think we were just a paper tiger.

Circus · 12-07-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

Stinnett agrees with what FDR did.

So what?

VKMHVM2 · 12-07-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Circus

So what?

It proves he has no ax to grind. Honestly, Circus, your performance on this thread against so much documented evidence really shows how full of shit you are defending the lies of the New Pearl Harbor, and don't think the truth about Pearl Harbor wasn't known by the PNAC Neocon Pentagon Cabal.

Circus · 12-07-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

It got Hitler to think we were just a paper tiger.

You sound nuts.
You clearly get all your information from conspiracy sites.

So FDR intentionally goaded Japan into a battle, he kept the battle secret, then intentionally lost the battle. All to trick Hitler (of all people) into declaring war on the United States.

Uh huh.

VKMHVM2 · 12-07-2007, 09:56 PM

You refuse to address this:

The US Navy ordered the modern ships, over thirty in all, including all the carriers, out of Pearl Harbor the day before the Japanese showed up. Two explanations are given for this order. The first is that the carriers had to ferry a new air wing out to Midway island, the second (used in the film "Tora Tora Tora") that the carriers were being used as reconaissance ships. When the Japanese attack force arrived, all that was left in port were older WW1-vintage ships such as the USS Arizona and the USS Utah (which was so old it had already been converted from combat use to a gunnery training ship). In all, only three ships were actually lost to the Japanese attack. In contrast, the Point Honda disaster saw 9 US Navy destroyers run aground and wrecked in a fog bank, but they don't make movies about that one.

Circus · 12-07-2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

Honestly, Circus, your performance on this thread against so much documented evidence really shows how full of shit you are defending the lies of the New Pearl Harbor, and don't think the truth about Pearl Harbor wasn't known to the PNAC Neocon Pentagon Cabal.

Your documented evidence came from whatreallyhappened.com
What a joke.

VKMHVM2 · 12-07-2007, 10:01 PM

Circus · 12-07-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

You refuse to address this:

The US Navy ordered the modern ships, over thirty in all, including all the carriers, out of Pearl Harbor the day before the Japanese showed up. Two explanations are given for this order. The first is that the carriers had to ferry a new air wing out to Midway island, the second (used in the film "Tora Tora Tora") that the carriers were being used as reconaissance ships. When the Japanese attack force arrived, all that was left in port were older WW1-vintage ships such as the USS Arizona and the USS Utah (which was so old it had already been converted from combat use to a gunnery training ship). In all, only three ships were actually lost to the Japanese attack. In contrast, the Point Honda disaster saw 9 US Navy destroyers run aground and wrecked in a fog bank, but they don't make movies about that one.

Well, I think the first part of that post is a flat out lie.
The navy ordered out all the "modern" ships just "the day before"?

The US had just 2 carriers in the pacific fleet. They often were stationed in wake and midway.

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VKMHVM2 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 2,679 My Mood: Thanks: 74 Thanked 55 Times in 43 Posts	You refuse to address this: The US Navy ordered the modern ships, over thirty in all, including all the carriers, out of Pearl Harbor the day before the Japanese showed up. Two explanations are given for this order. The first is that the carriers had to ferry a new air wing out to Midway island, the second (used in the film "Tora Tora Tora") that the carriers were being used as reconaissance ships. When the Japanese attack force arrived, all that was left in port were older WW1-vintage ships such as the USS Arizona and the USS Utah (which was so old it had already been converted from combat use to a gunnery training ship). In all, only three ships were actually lost to the Japanese attack. In contrast, the Point Honda disaster saw 9 US Navy destroyers run aground and wrecked in a fog bank, but they don't make movies about that one. __________________ It's All Here! Dr. Albert Pastore: An Independent Investigation of 9-11 and the War on Terrorism
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