Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor - Page 4

slowhand · 12-07-2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Circus

Your documented evidence came from whatreallyhappened.com
What a joke.

Just another day in the neighborhood..

BillCosby · 12-08-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Circus

FDR provoked
? It was Japan that was the war monger.
Jesus christ.

It isn't quite that simple.... IMO that is equivalent to saying they hate us cause of our freedumb...........

The usa cut off their oil........ They needed oil.............. THus the push to the south....

Imagine if you will what would happen if our oil supply was cut off.. Or for that matter even threatened. Even remotely...........

I guess you don't need to imagine just look @ our ME policy.......

There is no good guy/ bad guy here..........

Aside from if fdr hid anything or not the usa gov had no illusions about what would happen when that oil was cut off & certainly few qualms about provoking the Emperor...

Circus · 12-08-2007, 05:03 PM

The United States (as well as Britain and numerous other European countries) put oil embargoes on Japan.
This was because Japan invaded a whole bunch of European colonies.

America was reacting. Not provoking.
Again, ridiculousl

BillCosby · 12-08-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Circus

The United States (as well as Britain and numerous other European countries) put oil embargoes on Japan.
This was because Japan invaded a whole bunch of European colonies.

America was reacting. Not provoking.
Again, ridiculousl

Your opinion is your opinion~shrug~ What you call reacting another would call provoking........

Why not respond to what this country would do if the oil was cut off.......

Circus · 12-09-2007, 09:03 AM

Well, after Japan had invaded over 10 countries, inluding colonies of allies, and were right around the Phillipines...
what do you think the US should have done that wouldn't be considered "provoking"?

Should they have just given Japan a medal?

BillCosby · 12-09-2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Circus

Well, after Japan had invaded over 10 countries, inluding colonies of allies, and were right around the Phillipines...
what do you think the US should have done that wouldn't be considered "provoking"?

Should they have just given Japan a medal?

Well I can't blame you for not answering the "what would uncle sam have done" question........ Wouldn't be much left to argue about...

I wonder how the usa would feel if it was surrounded by the colonies of other nations.??? In stead of your opinion I guess we could just look @ the Monroe doctrine to answer that one......

Or just imagine that ant hill empire having a colony just to our south in Mexico. WHy I guess that would be ok...... Afterall we invaded them & took half the country......

BillCosby · 12-09-2007, 12:01 PM

I wonder how good O' uncle sam would have felt if he read this in a Japanese newspaper..

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That the materials of which Japanese cities were built rendered them especially vulnerable to firebombing came as no surprise to U.S. war planners: even before Pearl Harbor the Army Chief of Staff General George C. Marshall had directed his aides to make contingency plans for "general incendiary attacks to burn up the wood and paper structures of the densely populated Japanese cities."

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The most serious U.S. atrocities, however, were inflicted from the air. Again, it is worth recalling the "previously accepted rules of warfare." In 1938, the U.S. Department of State announced that aerial bombardment of civilians was "in violation of the most elementary principles of those standards of humane conduct which have been developed as an essential part of modern civilization."55 And Secretary Hull had particularly condemned air attacks using incendiaries which "inevitably and ruthlessly jeopardize non-military persons and property."56

Nevertheless, a poll on December 10 1941 found 67% of the U.S. population favoring unqualified and indiscriminate bombing of Japanese cities.57 And U.S. Army Chief of Staff George C. Marshall had called on his staff to draw up plans for "general incendiary attacks to burn up the wood and paper structures of the densely populated Japanese cities" in November 1941-- before Pearl Harbor, before the Bataan Death March, before any U.S. casualties were suffered.

In the European theater, the United States (in contradistinction to Britain) had a reputation for "precision" bombing. The evidence seems clear, however, that policy makers -- from the president on down -- favored terror bombing when it could be appropriately disguised. Back in 1941 Roosevelt had confided that the way to beat Hitler was to send a hundred planes over Germany for military objectives, but that ten of the planes should bomb smaller towns that hadn't been bombed before. "There must be some kind of factory in every town. That is the only way to break German morale." In other words, factories would be the ostensible target, but civilian morale the real target.59 And in practice, U.S. planes participated in numerous raids that were basically terrorist in nature.60

By refraining from explicitly announcing a policy of terror bombing in Europe, the U.S. Air Force en

kblair7 · 12-09-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

Even the "Good War" was not a good war. Americans were also tricked into that war.

Actually every war we ever undertook was planned. Only a fool would fight a war he can't win, which is why Bush is a fool and doesn't have the slightest understanding of basic strategy.

Our army is not an "occupying" force, we don't have much experience with that kind of tactic. It amazes me that the generals agreed to the war in Iraq.

kblair7 · 12-09-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BillCosby

I wonder how good O' uncle sam would have felt if he read this in a Japanese newspaper..

It had to be done. The US commanders remembered what it was like fighting urban wars in France and Germany and taking the surrounding islands. So to avoid the casualties an invasion would inflict, they decided to fight a mainly areal battle over the Jap mainland. The enemy would have hidden and fought to the last man. So we had the power to end it, and we did.

Circus · 12-09-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BillCosby

Well I can't blame you for not answering the "what would uncle sam have done" question........ Wouldn't be much left to argue about...

You still haven't answered what you think the US should have done in response to Japanese aggression in the Pacific..... I can't blame you... wouldn't be much to argue about.

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Originally Posted by BillCosby

I wonder how the usa would feel if it was surrounded by the colonies of other nations.??? In stead of your opinion I guess we could just look @ the Monroe doctrine to answer that one......

Wait, are you trying to say that Japan were part of the good guys during world war 2?
Are you really trying to say they were the good guys?
Do you know anything about Manchuria and the slaughters that happened there?
"but but... they were surrounded and provoked"
what a joke.

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Originally Posted by BillCosby

Or just imagine that ant hill empire having a colony just to our south in Mexico. WHy I guess that would be ok...... Afterall we invaded them & took half the country......

I'm not even american. So I don't care if you point out how your country was evil in the past. But ww2? Come on.
I don't think you know anything about Japan in world war 2.

According to you, if a country started mass invading nations across the pacific, America has to just sit around, watching, and eating popcorn.
If they try to do anything, they'll just be "provoking".

12-08-2007, 05:03 PM	#33 (permalink)
Circus Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 580 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The United States (as well as Britain and numerous other European countries) put oil embargoes on Japan. This was because Japan invaded a whole bunch of European colonies. America was reacting. Not provoking. Again, ridiculousl
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12-09-2007, 09:03 AM	#35 (permalink)
Circus Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 580 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well, after Japan had invaded over 10 countries, inluding colonies of allies, and were right around the Phillipines... what do you think the US should have done that wouldn't be considered "provoking"? Should they have just given Japan a medal?
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