Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor

VKMHVM2 · 12-06-2007, 03:22 PM

For nearly 50 years, the world has believed President Franklin D. Roosevelt's declaration that the Pearl Harbor attack was a completely unexpected assault on a neutral nation. Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor tells another, hidden story - using actual recording of intercepted diplomatic communications, declassified government documents, archival footage and interviews with diplomats and spies from around the world. We now know that intelligence operatives from the US and three Allied nations monitored the Japanese fleet's progress on its deadly mission to Oahu in late 1941. Yet neither Admiral Kimmell nor General Short received a word of warning that might have allowed them to avert the sacrifice of 4,000 American casualties in less than 90 minutes.

Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor (1989)

GuitarWizard · 12-06-2007, 05:00 PM

Yea it's insisting how decisions are made by men and the truth of it all.

alcol · 12-06-2007, 07:12 PM

Very interesting. I've personally always found it very difficult to believe that as closely as our government was monitoring the Japanese they had no inkling of the massive attack that was about to occur. That's one thing the government has always been made a hobby of - playing stupid.

VKMHVM2 · 12-07-2007, 12:08 PM

One week before the attack on Pearl Harbor, a US Navy listening post on the other side of Oahu intercepted Admiral Yamamoto's message to the Japanese fleet to sail to Hawaii. Today, the remains of that radio station can still be seen.

YouTube - The Bones of Station H

BillCosby · 12-07-2007, 03:14 PM

So does ww2 fail the "just war" theory if this is all true???

Was it really any different then all the other wars w/ the Indians, south americans, Mexicans, SPanish, Central Americans, Middle Easterners, South East Asians, ww1. Oh & several trips to the Caribbeans & West Indies....

VKMHVM2 · 12-07-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BillCosby

So does ww2 fail the "just war" theory if this is all true???

Even the "Good War" was not a good war. Americans were also tricked into that war.

BillCosby · 12-07-2007, 03:47 PM

Any war we were not tricked into???

VKMHVM2 · 12-07-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BillCosby

Any war we were not tricked into???

You have to go back before the Civil War. 1776 for sure, maybe 1812?

Circus · 12-07-2007, 06:38 PM

Well, it was Hitler that declared war on the United States, not the other way around.
So you can't say that the US was tricked into the European aspect of ww2.

Circus · 12-07-2007, 06:47 PM

If the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour, lost terribly, and way less Americans died, the American public would still have supported a war.
I mean, it's ridiculous to suggest that Americans would have sat by passively saying "well, the japanese invaded with 6 carriers, dozens of battle ships, and hundreds of planes... but hell... only 500 Americans died. Lets give them a break. Hopefully the nice chaps have learned their lesson and won't do it again".
It's ridiculous on so many levels.

12-06-2007, 05:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
GuitarWizard Even a bolt need's a nut Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 205 My Mood: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yea it's insisting how decisions are made by men and the truth of it all.
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alcol Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Very interesting. I've personally always found it very difficult to believe that as closely as our government was monitoring the Japanese they had no inkling of the massive attack that was about to occur. That's one thing the government has always been made a hobby of - playing stupid.
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BillCosby The party of the pissed!! Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,504 My Mood: Thanks: 183 Thanked 119 Times in 92 Posts	So does ww2 fail the "just war" theory if this is all true??? Was it really any different then all the other wars w/ the Indians, south americans, Mexicans, SPanish, Central Americans, Middle Easterners, South East Asians, ww1. Oh & several trips to the Caribbeans & West Indies.... __________________ Preventive war is not war!!!!Counter-terror is not terror
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12-07-2007, 03:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
BillCosby The party of the pissed!! Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,504 My Mood: Thanks: 183 Thanked 119 Times in 92 Posts	Any war we were not tricked into??? __________________ Preventive war is not war!!!!Counter-terror is not terror
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12-07-2007, 06:38 PM	#9 (permalink)
Circus Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 580 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well, it was Hitler that declared war on the United States, not the other way around. So you can't say that the US was tricked into the European aspect of ww2.
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12-07-2007, 06:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
Circus Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 580 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour, lost terribly, and way less Americans died, the American public would still have supported a war. I mean, it's ridiculous to suggest that Americans would have sat by passively saying "well, the japanese invaded with 6 carriers, dozens of battle ships, and hundreds of planes... but hell... only 500 Americans died. Lets give them a break. Hopefully the nice chaps have learned their lesson and won't do it again". It's ridiculous on so many levels.
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