JFK Conspiracy? PROOF finally revealed! (with SOUND) - Page 3

JeffinCO · 12-14-2007, 09:53 AM

Oliver Stone touched on alot of this in his movie ...
calling off of the guards is incriminating for sure...

...and to me it's quite clear that there is a shot from the front...(his head moves back and to the left, no way that is from a rear/ right shot)

Certainly the magic bullet holds no water. I'm not sure that this vid shows anything new, really, but I've never thought the official story stirred the koolaide.

djack · 12-14-2007, 10:54 AM

Several people who testified that Lyndon Johnson ducked down BEFORE the first shot were never called by the Warren commission and their testimony was never recorded.
Testimony that cast doubt on Oswald's involvement was excluded. Some by police officers who tried to recreate Oswald's actions and couldn't. Testimony that Oswald was in the cafeteria drinking a Coke seconds after the shots were fired. On and on. Really your government thinks they can tell you anything and you have no choice but to take their word.
Notice how anyone who expresses any doubt about the story is quickly jumped on and labeled a crackpot?
Very similar to the way anyone who wonders about 9/11 is immediately branded as a lunatic. You don't have to blame anyone else. Just say something doesn't seem logical.
They have a lot of enablers who will fight to the death if anyone says Bush is lying.

Comicsartist · 12-14-2007, 11:24 AM

What about Oswalds military background? He was nicknamed Shitbird for not being able to hit the broadside of a barn with a gun. Kind of hard to imagine he could pull off a perfect trifecta of shots at a moving target in a matter of seconds...

JeffinCO · 12-14-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Comicsartist

What about Oswalds military background? He was nicknamed Shitbird for not being able to hit the broadside of a barn with a gun. Kind of hard to imagine he could pull off a perfect trifecta of shots at a moving target in a matter of seconds...

..with an old bolt action rifle..

eagleclaw · 12-14-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Comicsartist

What about Oswalds military background? He was nicknamed Shitbird for not being able to hit the broadside of a barn with a gun. Kind of hard to imagine he could pull off a perfect trifecta of shots at a moving target in a matter of seconds...

Just like the "19 highjackers" who couldn't fly a Cessna but were able to guide sophisticated 767 into their intended targets.

Comicsartist · 12-14-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by eagleclaw

Just like the "19 highjackers" who couldn't fly a Cessna but were able to guide sophisticated 767 into their intended targets.

I'm not going to get into the 9-11 debate, because I already said my piece. I don't know what exactly happened, but I wouldn't put anything past our illustrious government. Presidential assassinations included.

VKMHVM2 · 12-14-2007, 02:10 PM

The following photographs are scanned from the December 14th, 1963 issue of POST magazine.

This photograph appears on pages 24 and 25. Taken by AP Photographer James Altgens, it clearly captures the moment when John Kennedy clutches his throat. Note the following.

John Connally is clearly turned to his right. Had he indeed been hit by the same bullet which has just exited Kennedy's throat, his wounds would have traversed his body from right to left. Connally's wounds were from back to front. NOTE: The claim has been made that Connaly was facing forward when JFK was shot in the neck, before the photo was taken, but in order to then see the view in this photo, Connally would have had to twist to his right after being shot!

Note the turned heads of some of the policemen and Secret Service agents. Clearly, they have heard and are responding to the sound of gunshots.

Note the fourth car back, which contains Vice President Johnson's Secret Service detail. The car doors are open as the agents rush to protect Johnson from the threat. Compare this with Kennedy's Secret Service detail, who have not moved at all. Also note the man within Kennedy's Secret Service car who is grinning ear to ear (tentatively identified as Dave Powers). It is interesting to note that in the book "Mortal Error" this photograph is deliberately cropped to hide the open doors of the car carrying V.P. Johnson's Secret Service detail.

Most importantly, note the man standing in the ground level doorway of the Texas Schoolbook Depository (which is where he reportedly told the Dallas PD he was at the time).

The JFK Page

The Media helped sell the lie of the lone assassin.

djack · 12-14-2007, 05:27 PM

Richard Belzer's take on the Bugliosi's bull shit book defending the Warren report.

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After President Kennedy's head was exploded, Lee Harvey Oswald was discovered on the second floor of the Book Depository building drinking a Coke.

His presence was verified by his boss, Roy Truly, and motorcycle patrolman Marion Baker. According to the Warren Commission, the three men's encounter was reenacted in two "tests" by the commission: in the first, Baker (walking!) reached the second floor landing in 1 minute, 30 seconds. In the second test; in his words: "at kind of a trot"; he finished the course in 1 minute, 15 seconds...to "time" Oswald's movements Special Agent John Howlett of the Secret Service (in another rigged "test") carried a rifle (there were three rifles found in the Depository on November 22: a German Mauser, a much joked about Italian Mannlicher-Carcano, and a British Enfield Rifle; but that's another story) from the "nest" and "placed" the Carcano on the floor near the site where it was actually found.

The truth is the murderer hid the rifle, which would take longer than to "place it on the floor".

The reality is (as Mr. Bugliosi knows full well if he "read" the Report as he claims) the Warren Commission reenactments of Baker's reaction times were done at a slower speed than his actual movements, according to Baker's own testimony he ran from his motorcycle and into the depository quickly but the reenactments had him purposely go slower to meet the needs of the Commission's desire to create the impression that there was time enough for the assassin to do his dirty deed.

Let us now consider what Oswald was alleged to have accomplished, by some miracle, with his rickety ass misaligned bolt-action relic of a rifle: fire three bullets, with deadly accuraccy (of which one was "magic": a theory concocted by Arlen Specter, at the behest of the Commission, that manages to suspend the laws of Newtonian physics!) squeeze out of the sniper's nest, wipe off the gun, go to the opposite end of the sixth floor, zigzagging and dodging stacks of books, wedge the weapon between two of the stacks, run down four flights of stairs (with landings, actually making it eight flights, I visited the Book Depository) then, according to page 679 of Volume XXV1 of the Commission's Hearings and Exhibits...exhibit No. 3076 quoting Officer Baker's deposition: "on the second floor where the lunchroom is located, I saw a man standing in the lunchroom drinking a Coke"; Oswald appeared completely calm and not the least out of breath or nervous at his chance encounter with patrolman Baker and Roy Truly (who remember ran up just one flight of stairs) in reality surely getting them there in more like SIXTY TO SIXTY FIVE SECONDS ladies and gentlemen: Therefore to repeat: IT WAS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR OSWALD TO HAVE SHOT PRESIDENT KENNEDY!!!

THANK YOU AND GOODNIGHT!

Comicsartist · 12-14-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by djack

Richard Belzer's take on the Bugliosi's bull shit book defending the Warren report.

I love his book and can see his point on a lot of it. Good post.

eagleclaw · 12-17-2007, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Comicsartist

I'm not going to get into the 9-11 debate, because I already said my piece. I don't know what exactly happened, but I wouldn't put anything past our illustrious government. Presidential assassinations included.

Yep.

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JeffinCO Lebowski Achiever Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,250 My Mood: Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 12 Thanked 59 Times in 47 Posts	Oliver Stone touched on alot of this in his movie ... calling off of the guards is incriminating for sure... ...and to me it's quite clear that there is a shot from the front...(his head moves back and to the left, no way that is from a rear/ right shot) Certainly the magic bullet holds no water. I'm not sure that this vid shows anything new, really, but I've never thought the official story stirred the koolaide. __________________ "Oh, what a lovely little.."
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djack Chairman of the Bored Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,187 My Mood: Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Several people who testified that Lyndon Johnson ducked down BEFORE the first shot were never called by the Warren commission and their testimony was never recorded. Testimony that cast doubt on Oswald's involvement was excluded. Some by police officers who tried to recreate Oswald's actions and couldn't. Testimony that Oswald was in the cafeteria drinking a Coke seconds after the shots were fired. On and on. Really your government thinks they can tell you anything and you have no choice but to take their word. Notice how anyone who expresses any doubt about the story is quickly jumped on and labeled a crackpot? Very similar to the way anyone who wonders about 9/11 is immediately branded as a lunatic. You don't have to blame anyone else. Just say something doesn't seem logical. They have a lot of enablers who will fight to the death if anyone says Bush is lying. __________________ "Last words are for fools who haven't said enough." Karl Marx (last words)
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Comicsartist Pass that, will ya? Tournaments Won: 8 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: oHIGHo Posts: 7,519 My Mood: Blog Entries: 6 Thanks: 113 Thanked 206 Times in 141 Posts	What about Oswalds military background? He was nicknamed Shitbird for not being able to hit the broadside of a barn with a gun. Kind of hard to imagine he could pull off a perfect trifecta of shots at a moving target in a matter of seconds... __________________ The art of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing thoughts in mind at the same time while still retaining the ability to function. -F. Scott Fitzgerald-
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VKMHVM2 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 2,801 My Mood: Thanks: 87 Thanked 62 Times in 49 Posts	The following photographs are scanned from the December 14th, 1963 issue of POST magazine. This photograph appears on pages 24 and 25. Taken by AP Photographer James Altgens, it clearly captures the moment when John Kennedy clutches his throat. Note the following. John Connally is clearly turned to his right. Had he indeed been hit by the same bullet which has just exited Kennedy's throat, his wounds would have traversed his body from right to left. Connally's wounds were from back to front. NOTE: The claim has been made that Connaly was facing forward when JFK was shot in the neck, before the photo was taken, but in order to then see the view in this photo, Connally would have had to twist to his right after being shot! Note the turned heads of some of the policemen and Secret Service agents. Clearly, they have heard and are responding to the sound of gunshots. Note the fourth car back, which contains Vice President Johnson's Secret Service detail. The car doors are open as the agents rush to protect Johnson from the threat. Compare this with Kennedy's Secret Service detail, who have not moved at all. Also note the man within Kennedy's Secret Service car who is grinning ear to ear (tentatively identified as Dave Powers). It is interesting to note that in the book "Mortal Error" this photograph is deliberately cropped to hide the open doors of the car carrying V.P. Johnson's Secret Service detail. Most importantly, note the man standing in the ground level doorway of the Texas Schoolbook Depository (which is where he reportedly told the Dallas PD he was at the time). The JFK Page The Media helped sell the lie of the lone assassin. __________________ It's All Here! Dr. Albert Pastore: An Independent Investigation of 9-11 and the War on Terrorism Last edited by VKMHVM2; 12-14-2007 at 02:18 PM.
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