Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

as i've tried to get across, there are so many undercurrents running thru the times, and tangental connections it's EZ to point to this or that and say
" there must be a direct connection" to the assasination.

True enough there are things, by themselves that evenpoint to a conspiracy.

But I've YET to see anyone put forth a credible case step-by-step timeline, or even players involved that show motive, opportunity, and method.

You can alsways find stray facts, motives, even opportunities.

But I've never seen the story co-alese the same way the straight forward facts of a lone gumnan do.

Originally Posted by nroberts

So what you are saying is that the first complete story someone puts forth must be the truth unless an alternative is proposed?

Originally Posted by djack

Pictures proven to be fake. It looks like you took the word of the establishment without considering any further information. Much like the Warren Commission.

Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

you would be helpful if you referneced the pics you refer to.
I don't understand which you mean to describe.

I didn't "take anyones words". Initially i thouht there was more to it also.
But over the years, I've come to understand/believe this is probably what went down

Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

He was prosecuting mobsters, so there is a motive for the mafia to go after JFK.
But the mafia was not stupid. they would prefer to take their chances with law enforcement,
rather than assassinate the US President.
If they were ever found complicit in that - they would have been out of business for good,
because organized crime depends on being able to dominate with the average joe's penchant for vice.

Originally Posted by djack

Well that photo has been debunked for a couple of generations.

Originally Posted by nroberts

You're forgetting some pretty important facts. First, both the mob and the CIA were pretty pissed off at Castro and wanted him out. Both sides viewed Castro as a threat to the US, and though the mob is full of criminals they are not without patriotism of a sort. Second, Castro booted the mob out of Cuba...they lost shit loads of money in that.

The CIA wanted him out probably primarily for national security reasons, not wanting the scary Ruskies so close and all that. They were the instigators of the Bay of Pigs and the fact that Kennedy refused to invade would have angered both elements in the CIA and members of the mob; and we know that it did. That they worked together to bring down a common enemy is not at all outside the realm of possibilities
a possibility cannaot be a compelling reason. that is REALLY stretching it.

and is the most compelling theory that exists.
the CIA and the mob?? good grief -why not just throw the Ruskies in there too

In other words, you're correct that the mob wouldn't just go kill a president...but you're forgetting that they probably had support from within the government.
The government can't ever keep a secret like this from leaking out. how many ppl would have to be involved? yet NOONE has ever come forward with first, or even second hand knowledge of "the conspiracy"

Jack Ruby, who we all know walked in, stepped up to Oswald...the police getting out of the way...and shot him, had strong links to the mob.
a common misconception. He knew a few mobsters from Chicago. I saw an interview ( damn can't remember the guys name) who said the last thing the mob would do is business with Ruby. Ruby loved to talk - to brag about his "connections" which definately would be a liability if the mob entrusted him with anything



Come on, that's pretty thin evidence. I don't for one second believe that even at that time the American people would have held a boycott of the services offered by the mob. But at any rate, even if they could or if the mob feared it might be possible, that would have just furthered the necessity of a good fall guy and a nice spooky story to go with him.
agreed -but it goes to motivation, or lack of



Yes, they would have involved professional hit men and the CIA would have used military experts...sharpsmen. The assassination is in line with that. Kennedy was killed by an expert or many.
LOL. the never seen gunmen were professionals? that's saying that the unproven/unseen gunmen HAD to be professional -a huge stretch from facts known .also -why were no bullets found, other than the type used by Oswald?

Oswald was an obvious fall guy and the whole communist BS fed right into the fears of the people at that time.
are you saying the rifle he got mail order, found in the snipers nest wasn't real ??

Originally Posted by nroberts

Look at the chin.