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Old 01-05-2008, 09:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Someone mentioned conspiracy theories and then went on to state the Shakespeare 'conspiracy' as being the most ridiculous.
As an avid sceptic, I have to say, this particular subject is very interesting not because of the so-called evidence but because of the sheer number of Shakespearean scholars there are that subscribe to it.
It's one I've known about for a long time and once considered myself well versed in the Bacon-Shakespeare theory.
Now I've never thought of it as a conspiracy until someone here included it as a conspiracy. I guess it could be but, I've always considered the Shakespeare story (the accepted history as it is written now) as manufactured history simply because of the back story of this historic figure and parts played by the players of the day.
I could sit here and go through all the talking points but, instead I want to hear from the doubter.
Remember, I am a confessed conspiracy denier. Prove it before I believe it. I've always been skeptic but, through a Masonic history in my family, the story of Bacon and Shakespeare is pretty simple and direct. However, it takes a knowledge and acceptance of the Templar/Masonic connection via the Rosicrucians (the real ones, not the ones around today). All the plays written seem to be alagoric stories symbolizing the degrees of Freemasonry. Even some wording is particualarly distinct to only each other (that undiscovered country from whose bourne no traveler returns).
So I want to hear some opinions as to why this is bogus (or not).
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Someone mentioned conspiracy theories and then went on to state the Shakespeare 'conspiracy' as being the most ridiculous.
As an avid sceptic, I have to say, this particular subject is very interesting not because of the so-called evidence but because of the sheer number of Shakespearean scholars there are that subscribe to it.
It's one I've known about for a long time and once considered myself well versed in the Bacon-Shakespeare theory.
Now I've never thought of it as a conspiracy until someone here included it as a conspiracy. I guess it could be but, I've always considered the Shakespeare story (the accepted history as it is written now) as manufactured history simply because of the back story of this historic figure and parts played by the players of the day.
I could sit here and go through all the talking points but, instead I want to hear from the doubter.
Remember, I am a confessed conspiracy denier. Prove it before I believe it. I've always been skeptic but, through a Masonic history in my family, the story of Bacon and Shakespeare is pretty simple and direct. However, it takes a knowledge and acceptance of the Templar/Masonic connection via the Rosicrucians (the real ones, not the ones around today). All the plays written seem to be alagoric stories symbolizing the degrees of Freemasonry. Even some wording is particualarly distinct to only each other (that undiscovered country from whose bourne no traveler returns).
So I want to hear some opinions as to why this is bogus (or not).

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So...as I understand it, Shakespear never existed...that his work was done by many people under the name?
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Until last summer I never even heard of this let alone entertain the idea.

Based on the stuff I read, the biggest argument is his lack of education and his upbringing. Shakespeare only went to a few years of grammar school.

Since a lot of the writings were political and veiled insults to the monarchy (an offense that was punishable by beheading) the real author had assumed the name William Shakespeare, who did not exist considering there was no confirmed date of birth for Shakespeare (well neither do my parents) and his grave is never to be dug up - as Bacon attempted to do but was stopped by authorities.

All in all, I don't think it really matter. He will always be known for writing Shakespeare.
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The Shakespeare Conspiracy interesting...

The latest Shakespeare conspiracy
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His education (and that of his family's) was a huge part. I think Manly P Hall's work on the subject is quite in depth. Wm Shakespeare existed but as was stated. A lowly person whose Will only mentioned bed and a gilded bowl and some silver.
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The theory that covers what I have learned is called the Baconian Theory and goes very much into the details of their lives, both Sr. Francis Bacon and Shakespeare and goes far deeper than just assumed nom deplume's.
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And this theory even accounts for a literary attempt in the Courts of the enemy if Britain, Spain. It includes Cervantes and Don Quixote.
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