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Old 01-14-2008, 09:12 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Yeah, you get some university president to put forth some crackpot theory and make everyone who questions 9/11 look like a nut job. That video that Sunflower posted about the "9/11 familes in their own words" said something about that
it works surprisingly well
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Old 01-15-2008, 01:40 PM   #12 (permalink)
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it works surprisingly well
Yeah, and the truthers simply dismiss it.
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Old 01-15-2008, 01:53 PM   #13 (permalink)
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There's an excellent article in the current Utne Reader about 9/11 Truth and related matters ... the author feels there's something in what they're saying but that the message is getting way too fragmented. I'll see if I can find a link....

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Old 01-15-2008, 08:55 PM   #14 (permalink)
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There's an excellent article in the current Utne Reader about 9/11 Truth and related matters ... the author feels there's something in what they're saying but that the message is getting way too fragmented. I'll see if I can find a link....

Here ya go...
That's a very good point.
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I especially liked the review of Loose change

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The first internet-distributed movie that turned people on to the Truth movement was Loose Change, a film that's been updated into a version 2.0 and, most recently, Loose Change Final Cut. For an amateur production, Change is pretty amazing: a documentary that's paced and edited like a mainstream documentary. It's a shame that it's so bad. Director/narrator Dylan Avery's voice is nasally, reminiscent of Ira Glass's, which partly explains why Change seems like an ordinary episode of This American Life on acid—crazy suggestions are accompanied with Avery stopping and saying, in a folksy stage-exclamation, "Wait a minute! What did I just say?" The last third of the film goes into the belief that Flight 93 never crashed in Pennsylvania. By this point it's clear that Change is the work of someone who's spent too long examining the evidence and needs to step out for fresh air.
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Old 01-15-2008, 09:02 PM   #16 (permalink)
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ooooohhhh THIS is good too

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If the Truth Movement's only job is to uncover discrepancies, they're dooming themselves to forever be pulling facts apart. It's a kind of a Zeno's Arrow of illogic: They'll never come to a reasonable conclusion because there's never going to be an absence of doubt. It's time for Truthers to put up or shut up, in other words—it's been six years since 9/11 and they've yet to produce anything coherent.
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The problem is that many of the believers—like the ones who love Zeitgeist—have started to fall for spiritual hooey and tangentially Masonic bunkum. There's a cult of coincidence just waiting to be born in the Truth Movement that could prove to be just as awful and wrongheaded as any religion, but if the intelligent rationalists that I've met can keep their wits about them, be reasonable, and stick to facts, they could become a very important force
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I liked this part the best:

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The awful truth, of course, is that we're all living in a huge conspiracy, and things are so ridiculous that we barely even think about it anymore. Even without a poll in front of me, it's fairly safe to say that the majority of Seattleites know that we entered into the Iraq war under false pretenses. Our government routinely spies on its citizens both inside and outside its borders, and secret courts with special rules try and convict people of all sorts of crimes. We torture and kill civilians in other countries because we can, and the very name of the Department of Homeland Security is enough to make someone familiar with Orwell and German history nearly shit their pants in terror.

I was surprised when I met some of Seattle's Truth groups because I was confronted by smart, sincere people with lots of information about the sad state of civil liberties and corporate control in the United States, people eager to inform other people about what's happening to our rights and using money out of their own pockets to do it. People fighting, in other words, the single biggest sin in America: laziness. The kind of pervasive laziness that can be found everywhere today—in our leaders, in our media, in ourselves.

They could do a lot better by dropping the arguments about the melting point of steel and whether or not planes actually did hit buildings. What they already have in their hands is priceless: In just a couple years, they've created, from nothing, a truly democratic, highly visible grassroots framework for a new kind of peace and civil rights organization that could use that concept of "civil informationing" to bring about change. It would require the movement to endorse some candidates, and make some compromises, but there comes a time in every adult's life when you've got to get to work because it's time to stop pointing at the heavens and shouting, "Why?"
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Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson on WPFC - We Ourselves 14th Jan 2007

Dr Wood and Andrew Johnson discuss how it looks as if the WTC was destroyed by some type of techonology related to the Hutchison Effect


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Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson on WPFC - We Ourselves 14th Jan 2007

Dr Wood and Andrew Johnson discuss how it looks as if the WTC was destroyed by some type of techonology related to the Hutchison Effect


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WTC Destruction and the Hutchison Effect

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Judy Wood makes Tom Cruise look perfectly sane
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