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Old 02-12-2008, 11:28 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Get ready to suck the John McDick you peevish tools. All you Obama hopefuls deserve it for not realizing now that the election process is rigged. I will laugh at you when the McDick is forced down your throat in the form of less civil liberty and more taxation. You deserve every bit of it. 9/11 conspiracy theories will be the least of your problems then. hahaha OPEN WIDE NOW!
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Old 02-12-2008, 12:33 PM   #32 (permalink)
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9/11 conspiracy liars are stupid.

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Yeah!, It's been so long ago I can't recall if I like you are not...lol...
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Old 02-12-2008, 02:03 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Old 03-10-2008, 06:03 PM   #34 (permalink)
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9/11 conspiracy liars are stupid.

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You have propagated the lie of 9/11 and instead of directing the conspiracy in the the proper direction I could only surmise that you are calling yourself stupid.

Bill Maher sucks ass and is a shill because of his love for the all mighty dollar and he just loves the way his bagel is smeared, and Circus you are still a stupid ass clown who would be beaten over the head with a shovel by Emmitt Kelly if he was still alive.
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Old 03-10-2008, 08:20 PM   #35 (permalink)
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lol..now Bill Clinton is part of some whack job conspiracy, because he has secret information he is hiding for the public
yea... that makes perfect sense

ever notice how anyone who disagrees with 9/11 conspiracy kooks soon becomes part of the MASSIVE COVER-UP?

Not really, but you are close.







By: Craig Ranke
Citizen Investigation Team
February 17th, 2008
The Pentacon - Eyewitnesses Speak, Conspiracy Revealed


Citizen Investigation Team has made it our mission to pursue new independently obtained hard evidence proving the 9/11 deception while focusing on the Pentagon attack. We have spoken directly with dozens of witnesses, first responders, and victims. We have surveyed the topography and local landscape. We have conducted an extensive analysis of all previously published witness accounts by plotting their positions and analyzing their actual points of view. We have sought out previously unknown witnesses by canvassing the area and we have heavily scrutinized all official reports.

Our primary focus has been to determine the true flight path of the plane as reported by eyewitnesses in comparison with the official data and reports. The results have been devastating as we can now prove on multiple fronts how the actual flight path does not match with the physical damage or any of the officially released data.

We strongly believe that the missile claims were first introduced by the suspect to deliberately deflect our attention from the true flight path of the plane by distracting us from the fact that there was a plane at all. This in turn made people who question 9/11 seem crazy to all of the genuine witnesses who were in the area and saw the plane headed fast towards the Pentagon timed perfectly with a big explosion.

Those who are familiar with our February 2007 release "The PentaCon Smoking Gun Version" know that we have demonstrated how the plane that was believed to have hit the building actually flew on the north side of the former CITGO gas station right in front of the Pentagon. This is evident because all of the known witnesses who were on the property at the time unanimously and independently agree that this is where the plane flew. We present first hand testimony from 4 witnesses; Pentagon police Sergeants William Lagasse and Chadwick Brooks, employee at the gas station Robert Turcios, and an auto mechanic who was up the street on Columbia Pike Edward Paik.





This single claim proves a military deception as it is agreed by the organization Pilots for 9/11 Truth and all experts that it is physically impossible for a plane on the north side of the gas station to have toppled the light poles or damage the building as reported by the American Society of Civil Engineers.


(ASCE report page 39)






The unanimous first hand eyewitness testimony we present was filmed on location and is not directly refuted by any of the previously published accounts. In addition to the 4 witnesses presented in the documentary, the north side claim has since been further corroborated by two additional witnesses, Pentagon courier Levi Stephens who was in the Pentagon south parking lot and air traffic controller Sean Boger who was in the Pentagon heliport tower right next to the alleged impact point.







The level of independent corroboration is so high that the notion all of these people could be so drastically mistaken about such a simple right or left detail in the exact same way is not a viable consideration.

Nevertheless, Citizen Investigation Team has not stopped with the north side evidence. Establishing where the plane flew in the final moment before the physical damage begins with the light poles was critical but we have now also established how the plane originated from east of the Potomac River and flew over the skies of Washington DC.

This fact is 100% irreconcilable with the data released in 2006 by the National Transportation Safety Board or NTSB that allegedly came from Flight 77's black box allegedly recovered from the Pentagon and also the alleged radar data released in 2007 by the 84th Radar Evaluation Squadron or 84 RADES.

The official data never has the plane over Washington DC at all.

NTSB reported flight path:



Latitude and longitude coordinates from the 84 RADES data:




We have supporting evidence of the east of the Pentagon/Potomac River claim from Colin Scoggins and Kevin Nasypany on the NORAD tapes, quotes from the C-130 pilot Steve O'Brien and transportation secretary Norman Mineta, as well as an exclusive on location interview with previously unknown witness Steve Chaconas, a charter boat captain who was on the Potomac River bass fishing with clients on 9/11.




All of this data is irreconcilable with the official story and further proves a deception on 9/11.

This information is revealed in our brand new full length presentation, "The Pentagon Flyover: How They Pulled It Off".

We expose how the decoy jet that flew over the skies of Washington DC and crossed over from the east side of the Potomac River to Arlington before looping around to the north side of the former CITGO station timed perfectly with the explosion at the Pentagon was disguised with a 2nd plane cover story involving the C-130 that was seen over the Pentagon soon after the event and the white E4B or "Doomsday plane" that was reported flying over the White House.

We present an exclusive interview with alleged witnesses Keith Wheelhouse who claims he saw a C-130 "shadow" the American Airlines jet as it plunged into the Pentagon but veer away at the last moment. This serves the purpose of the 2nd plane cover story perfectly but is in stark contrast to statements from the C-130 pilot who claims he was too far away from the Pentagon to be able to tell this is where the explosion he saw came from.

Overall it's clear that the evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt a military deception on 9/11. Attention to what really happened at the Pentagon particularly in regards to the true flight path of the plane is paramount to exposing this world wide psychological black operation that has been used as the pretext for permanent global war.
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Old 03-10-2008, 08:36 PM   #36 (permalink)
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and by the way,
there is not going to be any "independent investigation"...

until atleast, some truther figures out what that means

An independent investigation is one that doesn't set out with the end in plain view and then put all the blocks in place so that end is arrived at without creating any waves in undesired places. An independent investigation is one that doesn't brush aside anomalies (like a Vice President who seemingly ordered no interceptions to take place and a President who was so confident that no terrorists were going to come after him that he sat for seven minutes in a classroom listening to children read a story about a pet goat). And that's just for starters. Or how come the Coalition let al Qaeda escape into Pakistan? Or how come the FBI still don't mention 9/11 on their bin Laden wanted poster? So many unanswered questions ... that the believers in the party line would never think to ask. Sigh.
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Silly fool, tricks are for kids:


Watch this excellent demonstration from Penn & Teller exposing the secrets behind a successful sleight of hand:









1. Palm: To hold an object in an apparently empty hand.



(In essence this means to set up the illusion. This was done on 9/11 by showing the 2nd plane crash into the south tower in Manhattan on live TV. This mentally conditioned everyone in Arlington to instantly expect a low flying airliner headed fast towards the Pentagon to hit the building.)



2. Ditch: To secretly dispose of an unneeded object.



(Flight 77 was lost on radar as early as 8:56 while the alleged impact was not until just after 9:30. This gave the perpetrators approximately 30 minutes to “ditch” the original plane for the flyover drone.)



3. Steal: To secretly obtain a needed object.



(The plane swap was initiated as the flyover drone was launched and took over the flight path of the ditched original plane.)



4. Load: To secretly move a needed object to where it is needed.



(The drone passenger jet was put on course to the Pentagon and flown treetop level over Arlington.)



5. Simulation: To give the impression that something that hasn’t happened, has.



(The plane reaches the Pentagon with a perfectly timed explosion and fireball creating the impression that it hit the building.)



6. Misdirection: To lead attention away from a secret move.



(The massive fireball and smoke plume divert attention from, and help conceal, the flyover drone as it flies away.)



7. Switch: To secretly exchange one object for another.



(The C-130, E4B, and additional flying craft in the area are introduced to serve as cover and confusion for anyone who may have witnessed the drone fly over or away from the building.)*



*Click here for details regarding the 2nd plane cover story.










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For information regarding the analysis of Flight 77’s Flight Data Recorder released by the NTSB please refer to Pilots for 9/11 Truth.



We would like to make it clear that while Citizen Investigation Team supports the research of Pilots for 9/11 Truth; we are separate organizations that focus on completely separate lines of inquiry into the Pentagon attack.



The complete witness flight path that we report does not match the flight path as indicated by the FDR and we have never cited the FDR as supporting evidence that the witnesses are correct.



So although the FDR and witness flight paths do not match each other, more importantly, both are irreconcilable with the physical damage. Both Citizen Investigation Team and Pilots for 9/11 Truth are unified in demanding an official response to these fatal anomalies in the official story.







© 2007 Citizen Investigation Team. All rights reserved.
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Old 03-10-2008, 09:37 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Biggest conspiracy of 'em all is that one you believe about the 19 guys pulling off four picture perfect hijackings, taking out the two tallest buildings on the planet with amazing accuracy and then zapping into the most defended building in America without a single war bird giving them any resistance ... all masterminded by someone who neither the CIA nor the FBI seem able to bring down. Which led to the invasion of a country which had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. And all manner of suspension of liberties that you find nothing wrong with. Since you believe in the biggest conspiracy of them all, it must follow that you too are stupid. And a liar.
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Biggest conspiracy of 'em all is that one you believe about the 19 guys pulling off four picture perfect hijackings, taking out the two tallest buildings on the planet with amazing accuracy and then zapping into the most defended building in America without a single war bird giving them any resistance ... all masterminded by someone who neither the CIA nor the FBI seem able to bring down. Which led to the invasion of a country which had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. And all manner of suspension of liberties that you find nothing wrong with. Since you believe in the biggest conspiracy of them all, it must follow that you too are stupid. And a liar.
Still makes more sense than rigging two 110 story buildings with invisible explosives, undetected by a single person, all to magically make the building collapse downwards starting at an area we all saw hit by airplanes.

Still makes more sense than hitting the pentagon with a missile, then magically placing engines, tire rims, landing gear, parts of fuselage, black boxes, and all the passengers dna of flight 77. Nevermind the 700 eyewitnesses. Duvidoo knows better than all of them. Afterall, he's watched conspiracy videos on the internet.
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Old 03-11-2008, 12:54 AM   #40 (permalink)
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thats true. its strange: nobody here trusts the government, but they believe what the government tells them. very, very odd.
They're brain-washed. Instead of ignoring 9/11 investigators, they pin stupid, derogatory names on them like 'truther' (propaganda move), and mostly just call them 'kooks' or 'crazies'.

Anyone who isn't brain-washed could give a shit, cause it doesn't bother you if your brain hasn't been conditioned to oppose such investigations and alternative theories.

Oddly enough, these media figures and politicians are making idiots out of themselves. The brain-washing won't hold up, causing them to inevitably be perceived as brain-washers or brain-washees.
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