Ptech

Once again, I commend you for your choice of names here. Circus is very appropriate, as you seem to be a member of the Criminal Circus in the White House that advises us to NEVER tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories that attempt to shift the blame or seek the truth.

I'll give Chomsky the benefit of the doubt, for he probably has more things to do than worry himself sick with the realization that the american government, hijacked by criminals, practices terrorism.

He would probably say that it practices terrorism in OTHER ways, but NO, not ever would it conduct false flag operations.

I understand and respect cognitive dissonance, for it is not entirely voluntary, rather like an endocrine imbalance, those who have it cannot help themselves.

Same for you Circus Circus: believe what you will sir, but don't expect to be taken seriously by those of us who understand what happened and are not afflicted with cognitive dissonance.

Circus

Such an outlandish accusation shows you know absolutely nothing about Chomsky. You're embarrassing yourself.

Again, you're showing an embarrassing level of ignorance. It's outright laughable to suggest that Chomsky thinks the US is above false flag operations. You see, he analyzed 9/11 based on the science surrounded 9/11. He doesn't pull a Ptech and say "The US has been big meanie faces in the past, so they were probably also big meanie faces on 9/11. Who cares about actual science. Case closed".

Some people need to feel that they are "above" most people, that they can see things that "normal" people can't see, that they can make connections that the "average" person is unable to make. These people are often a little too eager to buy into fringe ideals. These people sometimes become so self-satisfied and pollyannastic in their beliefs that they accuse anyone that disagrees with them of cognitive dissonance.


I believe hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of experts in relevant fields who studied the first hand primary tangible evidence. You believe amateurs that are too scared to submit their research to scientific journals. The funny thing is that you're too engulfed in your nonsense to sit back a moment and ask yourself "Why? Why do these conspiracy liars avoid all scientific venues?"

But you're probably right. My beliefs on 9/11 have nothing to do with relevant experts. Nothing to do with real scientific reports. Nothing to do with real research. Nope. Nothing to do with all that. Really I just create my own reality because the truth (as defined by amateurs selling conspiracy videos) "scares" me.
You nailed it.

Ptech

You're making your man Chomsky out to be a pretty big fool, if indeed he sees the US government in the light you describe.

BTW, I'm guilty as hell of not having read Chomsky. If he understands false flag operations, as you claim, and he is not familiar with what happened in the NEADS building in New York that morning, then Mr. Chomsky has not done his homework. If he is unfamiliar with the parameters of the NORAD training exercise Vigilant Guardian being conducted that day, then he really has not done his homework. Vanity Fair published some interesting stuff about all that last year. Chomsky might find that interesting, assuming he wants to become informed about what REALLY happened that day.

Or, perhaps you give him credit for knowledge of false flag operations that he does not deserve. Does it matter? Not really, but it is an insight.

Why don't you name some of those hundreds of experts you brag about? And while you're at it, examine their relationships with the government and government contracts. Then come back and present their credentials.

Circus

Lol.
It sounds like you watched some conspiracy video, and now think you know better than experts in relevant fields.

"Mr Chomsky" I'm sure agree's that NEADS was incompetent that day. But he (and most sensible people) don't see any evidence of complicity.

I'm sure Chomsky knows of vigilant guardian. He probably also knows that (according to the norad and neads people themselves) the exercises resulted in zero delays on 9/11. You can hear it on the norad tapes. "Is this part of the training?" "No?" "Okay."
That was the extent of vigilant guardian getting in the way.
I know conspiracy lying videos tell you different. But they're just conspiracy lying. I'm sure if you buy more of their dvd's you'll eventually find truth.

These war games happen numerous times a year, and last for days. In fact, 9/11 was day 3 of Vigilant Guardian. But if a conspiracy lying video didn't tell you that, you wouldn't know.

In regards to experts, nist was comprised of 80 nist members and 120 private experts. I'm sure you'll say (without any proof) that all 120 private experts were "paid off". I mean, that's the conspiracy lying way, right? When proven wrong with experts, "paid off". When proven wrong with evidence "planted".

We have all the Purdue University experts and their analysis of both the pentagon and wtc. But I'm sure they were all just "paid off" as well.

We have the Colombia Universtiy seismologists, who unanimously conclude that there were absolutely no secondary explosioins in any of the wtc tower collapses. But I'm sure they were all just "paid off" as well. Either that, or the conspiracy amateurs that make internet videos "know better" due to rigorous google searching.

We also have forensic experts in the pentagon, who I'm sure where just "paid off".
We have numerous fire chiefs and fire captains who appraised wtc7 and were so convinced it would collapse that they cleared a collapse zone. But I'm sure they were also just "paid off" to lie. You know, they accepted blood money to help cover up the conspiracy that killed hundreds of their brothers and co-workers. Yep, that makes sense. Or maybe amateurs on the internet just know better than fire capatains that actually went inside and personally appraised wtc7. Yep, they just "know better".

This is already hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of experts. To suggest that all of them were either paid off or just not as smart as "ptech on the internet" makes you look a little ridiculous.

But don't let me discourage you. Keep up your search for "truth". You're almost there. Just be sure to buy more t-shirts, dvd's, and conspiracy books.
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You are more than welcome to your opinion of Chomsky.........

But thus far that is all it is...... Your opinion...........

His opinions are not just limited to this subject............. If he is the fool you believe then please feel free to disprove this or anything else he has said............

Should be easy enough..............

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anhailla

[quote=Ptech;117765]does Noam Chomsky understand false flag operations?
Is this for real? ptech do yourself a BIG favor
google and read a little Chomsky...

really...you need to

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anhailla

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Ptech

Thanks guys, but I won't be reading any Chomsky. At least on the topic of what happened on 11 September. Having seen him a few times on TV, my guess is that he never served in the military.

Maybe some of the Chomsky experts here could confirm or deny that?

And if he has not served, it would certainly explain his, and Circus', statements about Vigilant Guardian and how it impacted what happened that day.

I wonder if he and Circus know what the term "injects" means regarding radar displays? I wonder if he or Circus ever participated in any such training exercise?

Maybe somebody here could answer those questions?

Circus

Ha.
Everyone's an experts on the internet. Welcome to the world of anonymity. I can't wait to hear how much of an "expert" Ptech is. Should be amusing.

Now Ptech, I know you watched some conspiracy lying videos that told you that false radar blips created pandemonium on 9/11. I also know you didn't fact check this. Dylan Avery told you so, and you blindly believed him.

Here's a Toronto Star article about 9/11 war game radar blips.

""An hour into his shift, something unscripted happens. NORAD's Northeast Air Defence Sector (NEADS), based in Rome, N.Y., contacts the mountain.
The Federal Aviation Administration has evidence of a hijacking and is asking for NORAD support. This is not part of the exercise.
In a flash, Operation Northern Vigilance is called off. Any simulated information, what's known as an "inject," is purged from the screens".
full document

According to that link (which is not American press btw), radar blips caused approximately half of one second of confusion.

But maybe I'm wrong. Here's your chance to show me "real" evidence of radar blips causing confusion. And by "real", I don't mean Loose Change transcripts, or PrisonPlanet links.

I don't expect any response. I know your ilks tricks. You'll reply with some cop out like "I'm not doing your research for you" or something equally laughable.
But we'll all know what that really means. That you're full of shit and were stupid enough to be duped by a conspiracy video created by teenagers.

BillCosby

Odd criteria............ You can close your eyes if you like... Wokrs for lots of folks.....

You essentialy require those that disagree w/ you to have had some military experience....... I guess that means killing ppl..????

Anyway what military experience did regan have?? Or this bush we have now???

Really....... You are merely looking for rational to support your own biases & prejudices........... We are here to help...........

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