bdd1

since this thread is well within my knowledge base that question is a bit juvenile.
but if I had no expertise in an area I would find the right people and information to give me some insight into any question I might have,instead of falling in with nut jobs with personal agendas and making shit up because it makes me sleep better.

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Denie

Depends. If I know, due to my knowledge base in certain areas, that the private citizen is completely full of shit and refuses to follow scientific protocol, explain how I'm supposed to believe them?

If I can, with some simple research, see that the loose Change crowd has been caught in lies, over and over again, how is it I can ever believe them?

Why would a person completely discount the hundreds, if not thousands of private citizen eyewitness account of the 9/11 events, while taking a few private citizen accounts (meaning only the accounts they agree with) as 100% correct?

Now you explain why a person would believe any scientist that refuses to follow the scientific method when publicly making claims at the same time discounting the vast majority of scientist the do follow the scientific method?

Explain why is it the every single private citizen, who happens to be a scientist or engineer, that have published peer reviewed papers that disagree with the non-scientific CT-CD claim are deemed "government hacks" by people such as yourself?

An Amateur Psychologist? Or Armchair Psychologist?
Last time I checked there is no such thing as a "amateur" psychologist.

Ptech

There are all sorts of amateurs in all sorts of fields.

You seem to place an awful lot of stock in this "peer reviewed" category. I wonder if you had lived back in the 1400's you would have embraced the "peer reviewed" writings of those who believed the earth was flat? Or that the earth was the center of the universe?

In any event, the charges you level against those in the truth movement as to "having been caught in lies" could certainly be leveled against virtually anybody in the Bush administration, including the janitor in the men's room I suppose.

Yet here you are, defending their pronouncements, and those of folks indebted to them, as the unvarnished truth.

People whose business is 95% dependent upon government contracts will 95% of the time curry favor with those who "feed" them. It's human nature, you know, and one need not be an amateur psychologist to understand that simple dynamic.

Denie

No, as usual you are wrong. There are no "amateur" doctors, surgeons, dentists, lawyers, nurses, etc. You're, not surprisingly, confusing this with being a amateur photographer or amateur sports player or amateur investigator, etc.

Silly me...placing stock in how science is conducted. What WAS I thinking?!Do you ever research anything? Doesn't it not embarrass you to be wrong about everything you post here? There was no such thing as the the Scientific Method or peer review process in the 1400's...or the 1500's. Not until the mid 1600's was there the first documented use of the review process. It wasn't until the 20th century that the process started to be used in science.

The things you state above are why we have a review process as part of the scientific method. The scientific method is to ensure that scientific claims made are verifiable by others.

I agree. Many lies were told regarding the lead up to the Iraqi war. I've never claimed to defend anything this admin has done including the many probable events leading to to 9/11.

Not one thing I've ever posted is in defense of Bushco. I only stand behind the actual science regarding the collapse. I use published engineering papers (not the NIST report) as the basis of this.

You like to toss around claims here as if they are common knowledge.

Now, state specifically which business or individual that written a peer reviewed paper that explains the collapse of the WTC is 95% dependent on the government.

You may want to consider a new "amateur" career...it's not in human nature for one, not to mention thousands, to have full knowledge of those that intentionally murdered thousands of people, have the evidence of this and keep this a secrete and put your professional reputation at risk by submitting false data and calculations in order to keep your job.

Then we have the problem of having to convince the entire science and engineering world as a whole to agree to these "lies" to cover for the US government.

Denie

The irony of your post here is that what Jones and others are doing today, is the same as what was done before the scientific method was developed...just like the flat earth theory.

anhailla

[quote=Denie;243086]this is the part that borderline schizophrenics can't understand...Ptech and Duvi assume that because FDNY are paid by local governments that automatically means they are corrupt.

I'm not kidding about the schizophrenic part, a hallmark sign of the disease is a IRRATIONAL distrust of ANY civil servant...whether it's a teacher or a firefighter, FAA and on and on....they can't distinguish that real government power is held by very few, which is why massive conspiracies would never work. Historically even a small one will fall apart...
someone ALWAYS talks.

look what's happened with Bush's administration...even his press secretary admits we were lied to about Iraq

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Denie

Plus, they love to cherry pick...anything from the FDNY is a lie, unless it's a member recalling a loud noise resembling an explosion. Then it's a irrefutable fact of proof positive evidence of a CD!

bdd1

It's all a bit the the Inquisition and the Salem witch hunt all rolled into one!
"nobody expects the Spanish inquisition"- Micheal Palin

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This is Khan he's tough and ruthless!
This is Quan he's rough and toothless.
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anhailla

btw guys..NIST released it's official findings on building 7 today...


cause-fire, at least mostly fire..I haven't had time to look for a good link yet

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Ptech

No Denie, it doesn't embarass me to post here. My job is simple--to jusst make it clear that the OCT is a fucking lie. Nothing more, nothing less.

And it's like shooting fish in a barrel, not too difficult.