On 9/11 attacks: Is the struggle for truth worth it? - Page 2

chrisbb · 10-30-2007, 02:59 PM

"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic"

JFK

WC Roentgen · 10-30-2007, 03:15 PM

We'll be fighting in the streets, with our children at our feet and the morals that they worship will be gone.

Pete Townshend

sunflower · 10-30-2007, 03:16 PM

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
George Orwell

chrisbb · 10-30-2007, 03:17 PM

this thread has taken an interesting turn

sunflower · 10-30-2007, 03:18 PM

I think it's relevant to the topic: when we forget our history, we are doomed to repeat it. We've been warned; we were too busy playing Nintendo.

VKMHVM2 · 10-30-2007, 03:55 PM

"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all."

-- Michael Rivero

VKMHVM2 · 10-30-2007, 04:00 PM

"It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."

-- Robert F. Kennedy

voodoo · 10-30-2007, 04:07 PM

Great quotes VKM!

Nothing anti-semitic about those even I can see that

, thanks VK

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Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all."

-- Michael Rivero

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Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

"It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."

-- Robert F. Kennedy

MarkMiller · 10-30-2007, 04:11 PM

There was an interesting video that I found that was a little different than most. It mentioned that the plane (yes a plane) that hit the Pentagon made a loop around the building before it hit.

This video also shows small squib like explosions just below the major dust cloud as the WTC building were coming down. Now that was interesting as it also showed similar squib explosions from controlled demolitions. That could also be explained as forced air as the floors began pancaking but it was still done very well and makes you stop and think. Only problem is.....that means explosives had to be planted days in advance. Anyway the one thing about the video is that people that should have been arrested regardless of what explanation there is.....got promoted. Disgusting. really disgusting.

sunflower · 10-30-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkMiller

There was an interesting video that I found that was a little different than most. It mentioned that the plane (yes a plane) that hit the Pentagon made a loop around the building before it hit.

This video also shows small squib like explosions just below the major dust cloud as the WTC building were coming down. Now that was interesting as it also showed similar squib explosions from controlled demolitions. That could also be explained as forced air as the floors began pancaking but it was still done very well and makes you stop and think. Only problem is.....that means explosives had to be planted days in advance. Anyway the one thing about the video is that people that should have been arrested regardless of what explanation there is.....got promoted. Disgusting. really disgusting.

Good observation, mark. It stinks to high heaven, and even the deniers know it. Now, what to do?

10-30-2007, 02:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
chrisbb Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,589 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 67 Thanked 50 Times in 38 Posts	"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic" JFK
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WC Roentgen Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 260 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	We'll be fighting in the streets, with our children at our feet and the morals that they worship will be gone. Pete Townshend
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sunflower Latin Lover Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Central Fla. Posts: 2,594 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
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chrisbb Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,589 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 67 Thanked 50 Times in 38 Posts	this thread has taken an interesting turn
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10-30-2007, 03:18 PM	#15 (permalink)
sunflower Latin Lover Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Central Fla. Posts: 2,594 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think it's relevant to the topic: when we forget our history, we are doomed to repeat it. We've been warned; we were too busy playing Nintendo.
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10-30-2007, 03:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
VKMHVM2 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 2,789 My Mood: Thanks: 86 Thanked 61 Times in 48 Posts	"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." -- Michael Rivero __________________ It's All Here! Dr. Albert Pastore: An Independent Investigation of 9-11 and the War on Terrorism
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10-30-2007, 04:00 PM	#17 (permalink)
VKMHVM2 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 2,789 My Mood: Thanks: 86 Thanked 61 Times in 48 Posts	"It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance." -- Robert F. Kennedy __________________ It's All Here! Dr. Albert Pastore: An Independent Investigation of 9-11 and the War on Terrorism
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10-30-2007, 04:11 PM	#19 (permalink)
MarkMiller Dr. Zaius, Mark M. Archery 2000 Champion! Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,317 Thanks: 72 Thanked 47 Times in 37 Posts	There was an interesting video that I found that was a little different than most. It mentioned that the plane (yes a plane) that hit the Pentagon made a loop around the building before it hit. This video also shows small squib like explosions just below the major dust cloud as the WTC building were coming down. Now that was interesting as it also showed similar squib explosions from controlled demolitions. That could also be explained as forced air as the floors began pancaking but it was still done very well and makes you stop and think. Only problem is.....that means explosives had to be planted days in advance. Anyway the one thing about the video is that people that should have been arrested regardless of what explanation there is.....got promoted. Disgusting. really disgusting. __________________ *The ram has touched the wall.....there's no turning back! - Mark Antony*
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