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Titanium Cat · 06-05-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Duvidoo

So why are you so hellbent on protecting these people?

You are so full of your own shit you can’t see past the obvious. I’m not protecting “these people”. You falsely implied that Al Qaeda members were let go because the US government didn’t want to capture them. Pointing out your false claims isn’t protecting anyone. It is you who has no regard for the actual truth and makes a total sham of any real effort to bring closure to the victim's families.

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Is this sort of behaviour acceptable to you?
I think it stinks to high heaven

Indeed it does. But this is how politics is played. Do you think the Bush administration is the first one to compromise a purpose by giving in to an ally so that they can continue to operate with their cooperation? Do you not understand this is commonplace especially in world politics and specifically in US foreign policy? If Musharraf lost control of Pakistan the entire Afghan mission was in extreme jeopardy. It doesn't mean that it doesn't stink, just like plea bargaining with killers in exchange for them revealing the location of their victim's bodies stinks. Or giving criminals immunity from their crimes so you can prosecute higher ups instead. Nor does it mean it was the best decision at the time, but that would involve some hindsight speculation.

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and if I had lost family on 9/11, in Afghanistan
or Iraq I'd be hollering out the window
just like Peter Finch advised in Network.
But you give them comfort and support.

You don’t give a shit about the families of the survivors; what you care about is your obsessive hatred of Bush and all the conspiracy theories you want to be true that make him guilty of even greater evil.

Duvidoo · 06-05-2008, 09:31 AM

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Thus pooped T. Cat:
You don’t give a shit about the families of the survivors; what you care about is your obsessive hatred of Bush and all the conspiracy theories you want to be true that make him guilty of even greater evil.

Meaningless drivel from an agenda crazed lunatic.

Titanium Cat · 06-05-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by eagleclaw

More cut and paste but you have to get the information from somewhere:

27 December 2002: Afghanistan Pipeline Deal signed

An agreement has been signed in the Turkmen capital, Ashgabat, paving the way for construction of a gas pipeline from the Central Asian republic through Afghanistan to Pakistan.
The building of the trans-Afghanistan pipeline has been under discussion for some years but plans have been held up by Afghanistan's unstable political situation.

FLASH 34: Bush Given Invasion Plan Two Days Before 9/11 (Updated 4/3/03; see end)

In the context of misleading statements from White House spokesman Ari Fleischer and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice about the degree of US foreknowledge of the 9/11 events, MSNBC.com/news has revealed that detailed plans for the US retaliation against al-Qaeda and the Taliban reached the White House for Bush's signature on September 9, two days before the attacks.

In the words of MSNBC

`President Bush was expected to sign detailed plans for a worldwide war against al-Qaida two days before Sept. 11 but did not have the chance before the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, U.S. and foreign sources told NBC News.

`The document, a formal National Security Presidential Directive, amounted to a "game plan to remove al-Qaida from the face of the Earth," one of the sources told NBC News' Jim Miklaszewski.

`The plan dealt with all aspects of a war against al-Qaida, ranging from diplomatic initiatives to military operations in Afghanistan, the sources said on condition of anonymity.' In many respects, the directive, as described to NBC News, outlined essentially the same war plan that the White House, the CIA and the Pentagon put into action after the Sept. 11 attacks. The administration most likely was able to respond so quickly to the attacks because it simply had to pull the plans "off the shelf," Miklaszewski said.'

Update: 4/3/03:

This story is partially corroborated by Bob Woodward's Bush at War, pp. 35-36. He confirms that National Security Presidential Directive #9, after being vetted by NSC Advisor Condoleezza Rice in the White House, was "ready to go to the president on September 10." This was a plan to "eliminate" al Qaeda by going "on the offensive" against the Taliban. On September 4 the deputy secretaries of defense and state "approved and recommended a plan [to this effect] that would give the CIA $125 million to $200 million a year to arm the [Northern] Alliance."

Woodward is silent about MSNBC's claim that the National Security Presidential Directive (NSPD) ranged upwards to include "military operations in Afghanistan." Indeed, on page 32 he writes that "the [US] military had no plan" for Afghanistan at all. But this latter claim is incredible: the Pentagon has plans "on the shelf" for invading any country in the world, including (it has been said) C
US Policy On Taliban Influenced By Oil Deal Negotiations

The two claim that the US government's main objective in Afghanistan was to consolidate the position of the Taliban regime to obtain access to the oil and gas reserves in Central Asia.

They affirm that until August [2001], the US government saw the Taliban regime "as a source of stability in Central Asia that would enable the construction of an oil pipeline across Central Asia" from the rich oilfields in Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Kazakhstan, through Afghanistan and Pakistan, to the Indian Ocean. Until now, says the book, "the oil and gas reserves of Central Asia have been controlled by Russia. The Bush government wanted to change all that."

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But, confronted with Taliban's refusal to accept US conditions, "this rationale of energy security changed into a military one", the authors claim.

"At one moment during the negotiations, the US representatives told the Taliban, 'either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs,'" Brisard said in an interview in Paris.

Yeah more cut & paste crap from eagleclaw who is too much of a coward to address the previous points.

Won't admit that his previous cut & paste job contained FALSE INFORMATION.

Won't discuss what has actually happened in Afghanistan since the start of the war and continues to cut & paste stuff which is oblivious to that.

Take this:

"They affirm that until August [2001], the US government saw the Taliban regime "as a source of stability in Central Asia that would enable the construction of an oil pipeline across Central Asia" from the rich oilfields in Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Kazakhstan, through Afghanistan and Pakistan, to the Indian Ocean."

Of course we know that no such pipeline has been built or has been approved to be built. But a pipeline has been constructed to take the oil from the rich oilfields surrounding the Caspian Sea out through Turkey not utilizing Afghanistan whatsoever.

However once again eagleclaw remains decidingly mute about these most relevant points.

Titanium Cat · 06-05-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Duvidoo

Meaningless drivel from an agenda crazed lunatic.

Yeah, this from Mr. "No comment.", our cowardly little sniveling twoofer.

Duvidoo · 06-05-2008, 09:40 AM

Once Bush is gone I guess Osama can be forgotten about forever (since my desire to see justice served hinges completely upon my hatred of Bush)? Unless he tries something else? Eight years later (nearly) and not one iota closer to resolving who was responsible for the greatest terrorist act ever on U.S. soil. Tis not I who disrespects the dead, madam.

Duvidoo · 06-05-2008, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Titanium Cat

Yeah, this from Mr. "No comment.", our cowardly little sniveling twoofer.

How many here (besides your coven) think I'm a coward?
You're just an inveterate name caller
who can't stand being linguistically one upped
by one of those Canadian bastards.

Titanium Cat · 06-05-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by eagleclaw

So the Whitehouse made a decision to protect Musharraf instead of going after the very people that they claimed was responsible for 9/11?

Yep, they knew their decision to honor Musharraf's request would result (or almost certainly result) in Taliban and Al Qaeda members getting away along with the Pakistani army and intelligence operatives.

More from Hersh:

“We were supposed to have access to them,” he said, but “it didn’t happen,” and the rescued Taliban remain unavailable to American intelligence.

According to a former high-level American defense official, the airlift was approved because of representations by the Pakistanis that “there were guys— intelligence agents and underground guys—who needed to get out.”

Once under way, a senior American defense adviser said, the airlift became chaotic. “Everyone brought their friends with them,” he said, referring to the Afghans with whom the Pakistanis had worked, and whom they had trained or had used to run intelligence operations. “You’re not going to leave them behind to get their throats cut.”

Stuff obviously happend that they weren't prepared for but should have been.

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And you see nothing wrong with that?

See my reply to Duvidoo.

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Or am I missing the BIG PICTURE?

Yes you are.

eagleclaw · 06-05-2008, 09:44 AM

I know, I know, this is from ten years ago but do you really believe that these kind of things are planned out just months in advance?

It takes years and years and in that time they are betting that all the little details will be forgotten over time. And without the internet that probably would be true. But I have presented the evidence that Afghanistan was indeed a very big player in gaining control over the Middle East energy fields. These guys are thinking ahead. They are not dumb. And they will not show their hand in a most obvious way.

From the 1998 Congressional Record.
Emphasis added to text.

U.S. INTERESTS IN THE CENTRAL ASIAN
REPUBLICS HEARING BEFORE THE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON ASIA AND THE PACIFIC
OF THE COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL
RELATIONS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

ONE HUNDRED FIFTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION
FEBRUARY 12, 1998

Next we would like to hear from Mr. John J. Maresca, vice president of international relations, Unocal Corporation. You may proceed as you wish.

STATEMENT OF JOHN J. MARESCA, VICE
PRESIDENT OF INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, UNOCAL CORPORATION

Mr. Maresca. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's nice to see you again. I am John Maresca, vice president for international relations of the Unocal Corporation. Unocal, as you know, is one of the world's leading energy resource and project development companies. I appreciate your invitation to speak here today. I believe these hearings are important and timely. I congratulate you for focusing on Central Asia oil and gas reserves and the role they play in shaping U.S. policy.

I would like to focus today on three issues. First, the need for multiple pipeline routes for Central Asian oil and gas resources. Second, the need for U.S. support for international and regional efforts to achieve balanced and lasting political settlements to the conflicts in the region, including Afghanistan. Third, the need for structured assistance to encourage economic reforms and the development of appropriate investment climates in the region. In this regard, we specifically support repeal or removal of section 907 of the Freedom Support Act.

U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics

Titanium Cat · 06-05-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Duvidoo

How many here (besides your coven) think I'm a coward?

I don't know and I don't care. Your actions are cowardly.

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You're just an inveterate name caller
who can't stand being linguistically one upped
by one of those Canadian bastards.

Wow, more big words from another poster who couldn't pass a grade 8 science test.

Titanium Cat · 06-05-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Duvidoo

Once Bush is gone I guess Osama can be forgotten about forever (since my desire to see justice served hinges completely upon my hatred of Bush)? Unless he tries something else? Eight years later (nearly) and not one iota closer to resolving who was responsible for the greatest terrorist act ever on U.S. soil. Tis not I who disrespects the dead, madam.

It was already resolved a long time ago who was guilty for the 9/11 attacks.

06-05-2008, 09:40 AM	#405 (permalink)
Duvidoo Gone Tarpon Fishing Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,474 Thanks: 75 Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts	Once Bush is gone I guess Osama can be forgotten about forever (since my desire to see justice served hinges completely upon my hatred of Bush)? Unless he tries something else? Eight years later (nearly) and not one iota closer to resolving who was responsible for the greatest terrorist act ever on U.S. soil. Tis not I who disrespects the dead, madam.
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06-05-2008, 09:44 AM	#408 (permalink)
eagleclaw LIAR/TRUTHER Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 584 Thanks: 20 Thanked 26 Times in 22 Posts	I know, I know, this is from ten years ago but do you really believe that these kind of things are planned out just months in advance? It takes years and years and in that time they are betting that all the little details will be forgotten over time. And without the internet that probably would be true. But I have presented the evidence that Afghanistan was indeed a very big player in gaining control over the Middle East energy fields. These guys are thinking ahead. They are not dumb. And they will not show their hand in a most obvious way. From the 1998 Congressional Record. Emphasis added to text. U.S. INTERESTS IN THE CENTRAL ASIAN REPUBLICS HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON ASIA AND THE PACIFIC OF THE COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED FIFTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION FEBRUARY 12, 1998 Next we would like to hear from Mr. John J. Maresca, vice president of international relations, Unocal Corporation. You may proceed as you wish. STATEMENT OF JOHN J. MARESCA, VICE PRESIDENT OF INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, UNOCAL CORPORATION Mr. Maresca. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's nice to see you again. I am John Maresca, vice president for international relations of the Unocal Corporation. Unocal, as you know, is one of the world's leading energy resource and project development companies. I appreciate your invitation to speak here today. I believe these hearings are important and timely. I congratulate you for focusing on Central Asia oil and gas reserves and the role they play in shaping U.S. policy. I would like to focus today on three issues. First, the need for multiple pipeline routes for Central Asian oil and gas resources. Second, the need for U.S. support for international and regional efforts to achieve balanced and lasting political settlements to the conflicts in the region, including Afghanistan. Third, the need for structured assistance to encourage economic reforms and the development of appropriate investment climates in the region. In this regard, we specifically support repeal or removal of section 907 of the Freedom Support Act. U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics __________________ All the time, always
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