eagleclaw

Wow !!!! You posted the track AFTER the storm!!!! Way to go, I am humbled.

Now genuis, do you have access to the storm track BEFORE it demolished Homestead?

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Titanium Cat

Yes you lazy twoofer, they were tracking the storm for a week!

You are the idiot who first complained about this:

This is another false claim by you jackass, from August 22, 5pm they were predicting a landfall closer to Miami than West Palm Beach.

And then you stated this:

So you acknowledge that weather prediction was not as accurate 18 years ago BUT PREVIOUSLY you complained that they missed their predicition by 75 miles.

The author of that article you posted complained about the lack of warnings they got. I will repeat, the National Hurricane Center released the following advisory on August 22nd at 2100 UTC:

A region which most certainly includes Dade County. They then released the following Hurricane Warning on August 23rd at 1200 UTC:

A smaller region which most certainly includes Dade County.

This is false on two fronts. The Miami Herald investigated the claim of the migrant farm workers being killed in Andrew that you mentioned and found no validity to it. It is in fact a reference to what happened during the 1928 Okeechobee Hurricane. Furthermore you mentioned "Bodies were picked up and blown into the Everglades" which is complete crap, that is also a reference to what happened in the 1928 Hurricane where bodies were washed out into the Everglades, it has nothing to do with Hurricane Andrew, yet another reason you couldn't find a shred of evidence to support it.

Second, evacuations had been ordered for numerous regions in South Florida including both the Keys and several hundred thousand people in South Dade county:

Here are the advisories they issued for different locations of being struck with the eye of the hurricane +/- 65 miles. Homestead florida is very close to Miami. You will notice the likelihood of Andrew striking Miami continually increased from late August 21 to late August 23 where it was now 71% six hours before Andrew made landfall. Meanwhile the chance of it hitting West Palm Beach or Key West actually dropped in the latest analysis.

Maybe the local news was doing a shitty job of reporting Hurricane Andrew's chance of striking Dade county but the government agencies involved were not. The Governor of Florida had issued a state of emergency at noon of the 23rd and they were already preparing to deploy the National Guard.

NHC Advisory Issues on Hurricane Andrew's eye making landfall:

West Palm Beach
August 21/11pm 09%
August 22/05am 11%
August 22/11am 15%
August 22/05pm 20%
August 22/11pm 20%
August 23/05am 30%
August 23/11am 33%
August 23/05pm 47%
August 23/11pm 42%

Miami
August 21/11pm 08%
August 22/05am 10%
August 22/11am 14%
August 22/05pm 21%
August 22/11pm 23%
August 23/05am 34%
August 23/11am 40%
August 23/05pm 56%
August 23/11pm 71%

Key West
August 21/11pm 05%
August 22/05am 07%
August 22/11am 11%
August 22/05pm 18%
August 22/11pm 21%
August 23/05am 27%
August 23/11am 28%
August 23/05pm 31%
August 23/11pm 41%
August 24/05am 37%

You and your source have posted nothing but garbage on the issue.

eagleclaw

Ah TC, relying on whatever has been presented in black or white to state your case. Never delving into the human perspective. Always believing on what you were told is what happened. Have you ever stopped yourself and checked out the grey areas of experience? Ever experience something on your own? Talk to anybody who was there?

And I do not have the time or inclination to refute every little thing you posted but I will focus on this one little gem where in fact you contradict yourself and validate what I had posted before.


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Originally Posted by Hurrican Warning
Florida east coast from Vero Beach southward through the Florida Keys to the Dry Tortugas including Florida Bay

A smaller region which most certainly includes Dade County.

And Vero Beach is located NORTH of West Palm Beach. Which, by the way, is more than 150 miles away from Homestead.



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3: Turn RIGHT onto US-1 S. 5.9 miMap Avoid
4: Stay STRAIGHT to go onto TURNPIKE FEEDER RD/KINGS HWY. Continue to follow KINGS HWY. 10.6 miMap Avoid
5: Merge onto FLORIDA'S TURNPIKE S toward MIAMI (Portions toll). 106.3 miMap Avoid
6: Keep RIGHT to take FLORIDA'S TURNPIKE S/FL-821 S toward HOMESTEAD (Portions toll). 47.2 miMap Avoid
7: Take the US-1 N exit, EXIT 1, toward FLORIDA CITY. 0.2 miMap Avoid
8: Turn RIGHT onto S DIXIE HWY/US-1 N/NE 1ST AVE. Continue to follow S DIXIE HWY/US-1 N. 0.6 miMap Avoid
9: Turn LEFT onto SE 6TH ST. 0.2 miMap Avoid
10: Turn RIGHT onto S KROME AVE/FL-997. 0.3 miMap Avoid
11: Turn SHARP LEFT onto S FLAGLER AVE. 0.0 miMap Avoid
12: End at Homestead, FL Map
Estimated Time: 2.0 hours 55 minutes Estimated Distance: 171.90 miles

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Duvidoo

Hmmmm ... explosions in WTC #7 BEFORE the collapse of either of the twin towers. Mr Jennings can tell his story to the new investigation.........

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eagleclaw

Thanks for bringing that up D, got a little sidetracked but I was hoping to prove a point with the hurricane story that eyewitness accounts of what happened are just, if not more so, relevant than something that a government approved conduit will spew out.

Now lets see if the debunglers can talk their way out of building 7.

And I wonder what Mr. Jennings is up to nowadays?

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eagleclaw

Found this and surprise, surprise, when Jennings and Hess reached the command center of WTC 7 it was empty even though it was built for just this type of "event". And then the times reported by the 9/11commision and what was reported by EYEWITNESSES doesn't add up.

How about them apples!!!

Profile: Barry Jennings
Barry Jennings was a participant or observer in the following events:
(Shortly Before 9:03 a.m.) September 11, 2001: New York City Workers Reportedly Find Emergency Command Center Empty Before It Is Supposedly Evacuated After the first World Trade Center tower is hit, Barry Jennings, a City Housing Authority worker, and Michael Hess, New York’s corporation counsel, head up to the emergency command center of the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management (OEM), which is on the 23rd floor of WTC 7. [Associated Press, 9/11/2001] The center, opened in 1999, is intended to coordinate responses to various emergencies, including terrorist attacks (see June 8, 1999). [CNN, 6/7/1999] However, Hess and Jennings reportedly find no one there. [National Institute of Standards and Technology, 9/2005, pp. 109-110 ] According to the 9/11 Commission, “After the South Tower was hit [at 9:03], OEM senior leadership decided to remain in its ‘bunker’ and continue conducting operations, even though all civilians had been evacuated from 7 WTC.” The Commission claims the center is not evacuated until 9:30 a.m. (see (9:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 305] But according to the London Independent, Hess and Jennings arrive there by the time the South Tower is hit, which suggests the center is evacuated earlier than officially claimed. [Independent, 9/13/2001] This possibility is partly confirmed by OEM Commissioner John Odermatt, who later says that after the first plane hit the WTC, he left only two staffers at the command center (see (Soon After 8:46 a.m.-9:35 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Barrett and Collins, 2006, pp. 34] Jennings and Hess subsequently become trapped in WTC 7, and have to be rescued by firefighters (see 12:10 p.m.-12:15 p.m. September 11, 2001). [National Institute of Standards and Technology, 9/2005, pp. 109-110 ]
Entity Tags: Office of Emergency Management, Barry Jennings, Michael Hess
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(Between 9:15 a.m. and 10:28 a.m.) September 11, 2001: New York City Workers Hear Explosion in WTC 7 Barry Jennings, a City Housing Authority worker, and Michael Hess, New York’s corporation counsel, went up to the emergency command center on the 23rd floor of WTC Building 7 after the first attack occurred (see (Shortly Before 9:03 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Associated Press, 9/11/2001; Independent, 9/13/2001] At some point, the power goes out in the building. They then start walking down the stairs to get out. According to Hess, when the two men get down to the eighth floor, “there was an explosion and we’ve been trapped on the eighth floor with smoke, thick smoke, all around us, for about an hour and a half.” [UPN 9, 9/11/2001] Jennings similarly describes, “We made it to the eighth floor. Big explosion. Blew us back into the eighth floor, and I turned to Hess. I said, ‘This is it; we’re dead. We’re not gonna make it out of here.’” [Penn State Public Broadcasting, 3/1/2002] The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) claims the two men head down the stairs after 9:59, when the first collapse occurs, and then become trapped around the time the second tower collapses, at 10:28. [National Institute of Standards and Technology, 9/2005, pp. 109-110 ] But according to the London Independent, they start heading down the stairs after the second attack at 9:03, which suggests the explosion occurs earlier on. [Independent, 9/13/2001] The cause of the explosion is unclear. Later on, firefighters rescue Hess and Jennings from the building (see 12:10 p.m.-12:15 p.m. September 11, 2001). [National Institute of Standards and Technology, 9/2005, pp. 109-110 ]
Entity Tags: Barry Jennings, Michael Hess
Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, 9/11 Timeline

12:10 p.m.-12:15 p.m. September 11, 2001: Firefighters Rescue Three People Trapped in WTC 7
Mike Hess. [Source: Harvard Law Bulletin]Most of Building 7 of the World Trade Center was evacuated around the time the South Tower was hit (see (9:03 a.m.) September 11, 2001). However, firefighters find three individuals who have become trapped inside it. Among them are Barry Jennings, a City Housing Authority worker, and Mike Hess, New York’s chief lawyer who is also a longtime friend of Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. The two had gone up to the 23rd floor headquarters of the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management some time before 10 a.m., but found it empty. (It was evacuated at 9:30 a.m.; see (9:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001.) They headed downstairs but became trapped around the sixth floor by smoke and debris that filled the staircase as a result of the North Tower collapsing at 10:28 a.m. After breaking a window and calling for help, they were spotted by firefighters outside. When the firefighters go in, they also find a security officer for one of the businesses based in the building, who is trapped on the 7th floor by the smoke in the stairway. Why this guard did not evacuate earlier, along with the rest of WTC 7, is unknown. All three men are escorted out of the building. [New York Times, 11/21/1997; Associated Press, 9/11/2001; Giuliani, 2002, pp. 20-21 and 244; Penn State Public Broadcasting, 3/1/2002; National Institute of Standards and Technology, 6/2004, pp. L-18 ; National Institute of Standards and Technology, 9/2005, pp. 109-110 ]
Entity Tags: Michael Hess, Barry Jennings
Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, 9/11 Timeline

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Titanium Cat

Yeah, a perspective from a human who has made a whole bunch of false statements and ones they provide no evidence whatsoever to back up. Those aren't gray areas, that is crap.

Which you never do because you can't.

Only a moron would think it was a contradiction.

And where do you think the Florida Keys are pal? Homestead is in between the Florida Keys and Vero Beach. The hurricane warning was for the whole region dummy. You know, the region where hundreds of thousands of people evacuated from because you can't be sure where the hurricane is going to strike and they can cause widespread damage for hundreds of miles.

Too bad Mapquest couldn't help you think.

Next time try looking up the trip from Key West to Homestead as well.

Ptech

Titanium Kitty

False statements?

You sir, are the KING of False Statements around here. Which is completely consistent with being a gubmint man, a Bush apologist.

brian_wilbanks

Hopeless....completely Hopeless

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Duvidoo

Darn tootin' ... now that there's a witness to WTC7's explosions BEFORE the towers fell down ... kinda blows the cover off the ol' cover up, eh wot.

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