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TC

I doubt very much that NTSB changed any times in their report.

However, I would be not IN THE LEAST surprised if the USAF guys did.

I HOPE they did not, but would not be surprised if they did.

The heart of the matter is that emergency intercept procedures worked flawlessly and as designed in the Payne Stewart event.

For a variety of reasons, they did not on 11 September, the biggest single reason being the influence of Vigilant Guardian.

USAF and NORAD have changed their stories several times regarding the events of 11 September.

Titanium Cat

So you think Captain Chris Hamilton deliberately falsified the report he gave to the NTSB? And he did this almost two years in advance of 9/11 knowing he had to cover for the military response that morning? And that all of the other military personal involved in the incident such as the A-10 pilot, the aerial tanker crew, the controller of Elgin's Mission Control (Staff Sargent James Hicks), the Tyndall F-16 pilots and their support crews etc. all silently approved of Hamilton's deception? Because the conspiracy was already in place then which would have to include numerous lower level members of the armed forces?

I on the other hand would be extremely surprised.

You are comparing apples and oranges. What you need to do is form a timeline for the military response to 9/11 and compare them. The two responses don't look a whole lot different especially when you look at the circumstances. The transponder on the Learjet was operational and the Elgin F-16 which was the first to intercept it was already in the air on a training mission. Meanwhile the hijacked flights of 9/11 were in the busiest air space in the country during one of the busiest times of the day with their transponders turned off. They were now just a few out of thousands of blips on the secondary radar.

I challenge you to actually work out the timelines and see how long the military had to intercept the planes.

This smells like another loose change fart, I believe that Vigilant Guardian had very little if any negative effect on the military response to 9/11. The number of fighter planes available on alert status for intercept was unaffected by the operation and it was called off very quickly when NEADS was informed of the hijackings.

Let's see some details of how they changed their stories and some credible evidence to back it up.

Duvidoo

They had a ton of time between the second tower hit and the Pentagon hit ... with a base only something like 10 minutes away. Norman Mineta's testimony suggests that the vice president wouldn't allow anything to intercept the plane bound for the Pentagon. Are you calling Mineta a liar?

Yet nothing got intercepted. Any idea how much money is invested each year to have planes on readiness for scrambles 24/7? Whatever it was, was wasted. So had there been no Vigilant Guardian that morning nothing would have changed? There would still have been no interceptions?

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Titanium Cat

Show me a timeline and then we can discuss it. I've seen twoofer timelines like the one eagleclaw cut & paste in the OP of this thread and it is total garbage.

I suggest that Mineta wasn't clear about what Cheney was referring to. However we are talking about the military response time lines, let's look at them.

The overwhelming emphasis for scambles are aircraft entering US airspace from outside and not ones taking off from inside American airspace. The entire response wasn't good but that also involved the FAA which left the military with very little time to intercept.

Probably not, as I said I don't think it made much of a difference if any at all. The same number of fighters were still available on alert and VG was called off very quickly by NEADS.

Do you think that if Stewart's Learjet had been hijacked and the transponder turned off with the plan of crashing it into a building within an hour that it would have been intercepted?

PursuitOfHappinessParty

If the U.S. had responded 'in-time' with military jets shooting airliners down then this 'discussion' would be about the government shooting airliners out of the sky in a 'cover-up' of some sort.

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Duvidoo

Probably not. Nobody had any idea that the first hijacking was going to go straight to the WTC. Or if they did, they should be questioned.

Titanium Cat

Of course. They would question the evidence that the plane(s) shot down were really hijacked. Instead there would be people on those planes that the government wanted to get rid off who were on route to a meeting somewhere to expose government crimes and all the evidence of those crimes were in their suitcases.

In the twoofer world everything is win-win in forming conspiracies no matter how they works out.

Titanium Cat

Well you give us the time line for the hijackings and military responses of 9/11 and then we can discuss it.

PursuitOfHappinessParty

Six degrees of seperation puts an uncanny link between the hijackers, Bush, and Kevin Bacon.

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anhailla

He can't give a timeline that isn't off a twoofer website, any credible timeline will just be called a plant from the MSM/Governement. Remember TC, all media outlets are IN ON THE CONSPIRACY.

According to twoofers USAF is in on the conspiracy, so no point in posting any thing from them

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