Originally Posted by okpfloyd

Me either....but the flies on the dead horse won't go away until the issue is actually studied (publically) and addressed...but I disagree about * having the support to go to Iraq...dude, like 85% of Americans thought Saddam was behind 9-11 and congress was pressured to go along with it or be casted as unpatriotic....no, it took 9-11 to scare the shit out of people and bring our "leaders" into towing his lame assed quest....

Actually going to Iraq adds to the motives behind 9-11 being an inside job...

Originally Posted by slowhand

To me..Something like assassinating Kennedy, as far as inside jobs go, is alot easier in comparison than orchastrating something as complex as 9/11..I think 9/11 simply played into dubya's hand as far as Iraq goes..Im more than sure he was aching to invade Iraq, and 9/11 wrote the script for him..He also did have 13 years of sanctions against Iraq cuz of Saddam's defience of the 1441 Security Council Resolutions to further justify the invasion, and I think he would have used that, as justification, had 9/11 never occured

I dont disagree that there should be an independent investigation into 9/11..For those who believe it was an inside job, they will get their satisfaction..For me..I think dubya had enough intelligence to suggest an imminent attack, and he either dropped the ball negligently, or deliberately..I want to know what the substance of that intelligence was, and what he did, or did not do as a result

Originally Posted by slowhand

I dont disagree that there should be an independent investigation into 9/11..For those who believe it was an inside job, they will get their satisfaction..For me..I think dubya had enough intelligence to suggest an imminent attack, and he either dropped the ball negligently, or deliberately..I want to know what the substance of that intelligence was, and what he did, or did not do as a result

Originally Posted by okpfloyd

"Bin Laden determined to attack"....recall that was in *'s DB's in like July 01?...while * was jacking off horses in Crawford?...Plus ya gotta give some thought to how OBL could have been able to orchestrate 9-11...eh, here we go with the same arguments we've seen all over the blogs.... these CT's won't go away but add that the more it's ignored in the main stream media and by our "representatives" the more likely it seems to be true...I can't believe how taboo it is to speak about in public...of course look where I live..lol

Originally Posted by anhailla

It's not enough to say Bush dropped the ball, Presidents don't actually collect the intelligence...Intelligence agencies are supposed to collect, analyze and report what they know.

I can't stand Bush and the rest of his Admin either, but at the core...9/11 is an intelligence failure, so...the question is how much did they have and how much did the Admin know?

those are good questions...


CIA blew chances to spot 9/11 threat, says report | World news | The Guardian


CIA blew chances to spot 9/11 threat, says report· Information on hijackers kept from key personnel
· Former director George Tenet criticised for failings
Ed Pilkington in New York The Guardian, Wednesday August 22 2007
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George Tenet. Photograph: Mark Wilson/Getty

"As many as 60 people within the CIA read a cable referring to two of the 19 hijackers involved in the attacks on America on September 11 2001 before the event, yet the information was not shared with the parts of the organisation able to do anything about it, according to the agency's own internal investigation.
The revelation is one of several damning findings from the CIA's own watchdog, the inspector general, drawn up in June 2005. He accuses the CIA's top officials in the run-up to 9/11, including the then director, George Tenet, of failure to devise a strategic plan to counter Osama bin Laden in advance of the attacks.

A 19-page summary of the inspector's report was published yesterday under a new congressional law passed earlier this month, having been kept secret since it was written. It underlines the depth of infighting between the CIA and the National Security Agency which prevented clear lines of responsibility in the fight against al-Qaida.

Though the report found no evidence of misconduct or illegality, it bluntly stated that CIA officers "did not discharge their responsibilities in a satisfactory manner". The inspector, John Helgerson, went as far as to recommend further panels of inquiry into the conduct of key individuals within the agency to see whether disciplinary action should be taken against them.

Mr Helgerson said that the actions of Mr Tenet, his number two, Jim Pavitt, and the head of the counterterrorism operation, Cofer Black, should all be put under scrutiny. However, the summary reveals that the CIA director at the time of the inspector's report, Porter Goss, ruled out any further action. In a statement accompanying the declassified summary, the current director, Michael Hayden, said he agreed with his predecessor that no reprimands were called for.

The 2005 internal inquiry concludes that there was no single point of failure or "silver bullet" that would have allowed the CIA to predict or prevent the attacks of 9/11. But if systems had been in place to share and analyse critical information that could have led to a more informed assessment of the threat in the lead up to the assault.

The most direct accusation was that information on the hijackers was widely reviewed before 9/11 but was not followed up. "That so many individuals failed to act in this case reflects a systematic breakdown. There was no coherent, functioning watch-listing programme," the summary says.

Though the failings of the CIA in the run-up to the attacks on New York and Washington have been publicly examined by several congressional inquiries and the September 11 commission, the latest report gives a more stinging assessment than any previous account of the inadequate responses of individuals. Mr Tenet is singled out for particular criticism."

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Originally Posted by brian_wilbanks

Unless the new investigation determines that the towers were blown up by planted explosives and that no plane crashed in Shanksville, the inside job crowd will not be satisfied.

Everytime I hear one of them say they want a new investigation, it makes me wanna barf.it's the biggest load of shit.

Originally Posted by brian_wilbanks

Unless the new investigation determines that the towers were blown up by planted explosives and that no plane crashed in Shanksville, the inside job crowd will not be satisfied.

Everytime I hear one of them say they want a new investigation, it makes me wanna barf.it's the biggest load of shit.

Originally Posted by slowhand

Theres people who will still be talking about it 50 years from now no doubt

Originally Posted by slowhand

The thing that bothers me is, that the CIA had intelligence of Middle Eastern men, who were enrolled in flight school, and were only concerened with flying the planes, but not landing them..That had to get their attention, and they must have done a search into who these men were..etc..Im thinking they had more info than has been de-classified for public viewing..Im not sure, but didnt Tenat resign?