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Old 07-12-2008, 12:41 PM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #371 (permalink)
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And what is scary is that you guys are serious.....
You took the words right out of our mouths.

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Least of all some non-aviator children running off at the mouth on the internet.
As soon as a HELICOPTER hits a building, I'll be all ears.

BTW, does this mean that we can completely ignore all posts by you on subjects that you aren't in the employ of?


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Old 07-12-2008, 02:10 PM   #372 (permalink)
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And what is scary is that you guys are serious.....
Twoofers are serious... seriously fucked up.

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You have absolutely no proof as to what speed EITHER plane was doing at WTC. None, zero, zip. You have estimates, based on a variety of things.
Listen to Ptech babble. There is reliable evidence which can estimate the speed of the planes with reasonable accuracy. Your "none", "zero", and "zip" is more descriptive of your cognitive abilities.

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But no pilot will tell you that ANYBODY knows how fast those airplanes were going that day.
Yeah like you really speak for all pilots.

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Least of all some non-aviator children running off at the mouth on the internet.
Awwwww, this coming from the "aviator" Ptech who compared a little plane puttering around a hangar and banging into a steel truss to a 200 ton airliner crashing into a building at 500 mph and then suggested banging a piece of steel with a piece of aluminum as a test.

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There was no wreckage at Shanksville TC. There was no wreckage, so the rest of your statement is invalid and irrelevant.
The plane people saw fly into the ground and explode didn’t leave any wreckage because it didn’t really exist, is that what you are telling us? That hundreds of investigators all lied about what they found at the crash site. Those eyewitnesses to the crash who went to the scene and saw scattered wreckage of an airliner crash are all mistaken or lying?

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Eric Peterson of Lambertsville looked up when he heard the plane. "It was low enough, I thought you could probably count the rivets," Peterson said. "You could see more of the roof of the plane than you could the belly. It was on its side."

"There was a great explosion and you could see the flames. It was a massive, massive explosion. Flames and then smoke and then a massive, massive mushroom cloud."

Peterson called 9-1-1 and ran to the crash site but found only burning jet parts, pieces of clothing, and seat cushions.
Sounds a lot like wreckage, exactly what you'd find after an airliner crashed nose first into the ground at high speed causing a massive explosion.

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Old 07-12-2008, 06:41 PM   #373 (permalink)
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Hundreds of investigators? Who?

All the videos over the site showed just exactly what all the commentators said from the scene: there was nothing there. I've seen the pictures and I've heard the comments.

You can pretend otherwise, but that doesn't make it so.

What "reliable evidence" as to the plane's speed is there TC? Or is it politically incorrect to ask you to back up your claim?

Your man Eric Petersen is one of the "witnesses" whose story conflicts with the FDR. Which way do you want it TC? Can't have it both ways. Except in your little world.
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Hundreds of investigators? Who?
Various local police departments. Various local EMS services and Fire Departments. FEMA. The NTSB. The FBI. And both the Red Cross and United Airlines were involved. Hundreds of people from numerous organizations.

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All the videos over the site showed just exactly what all the commentators said from the scene: there was nothing there.
Let's see which commentators you are talking about and what they said.

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I've seen the pictures and I've heard the comments.
Yet Ptech cannot link to any of those pictures. Meanwhile other posters like bdd1 have linked to multiple pictures showing wreckage.

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You can pretend otherwise, but that doesn't make it so.
You can continue your bullshit routine but that is all it is, bullshit.

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What "reliable evidence" as to the plane's speed is there TC? Or is it politically incorrect to ask you to back up your claim?
LOL, you are the moron who can't link and never backs up their claims. The speed of the planes was estimated from video evidence and radar tracking. Here is an example of how the speeds were estimated.

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Your man Eric Petersen is one of the "witnesses" whose story conflicts with the FDR. Which way do you want it TC? Can't have it both ways. Except in your little world.
You are the one who wants it both ways. You brought up eyewitnesses to the Flight 93 crash and you claimed there was no wreckage yet an eye witness disputes your claim.

Now please detail how Eric Petersen's statements conflicts with the FDR. And how the witness statements in general conflict with the FDR data so we can examine the inconsistencies between them and weight the reliability of the claims. As I previously stated, there were numerous witnesses which had significantly different vantage points and circumstances of observation all of which needs to be taken into account.
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1. The witnesses to the "flight", were 10 and 5 miles northwest of the crash site. Second time statement of that point. Sorry you missed the first one.

2. Witnesses at the "crash site" were first responders and other officials that you mentioned. Also video from 3 of the MSM local TV stations. Everybody said the same thing--there is nothing here. I will bet $100 that there was nobody from the Red Cross there, despite your claim.

3. I don't give a good goddamn whether you ever avail yourself of that information, or not. My guess is you will not.

Petersen's testimony conflicts with FDR because according to the recorder, when the flight was over Petersen's location, it was at something like 10,000 feet--invisible to the naked eye. That is, when the flight was at 2000 feet, it was just milliseconds from impact, according to FDR.
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Petersen's testimony conflicts with FDR because according to the recorder, when the flight was over Petersen's location, it was at something like 10,000 feet--invisible to the naked eye. That is, when the flight was at 2000 feet, it was just milliseconds from impact, according to FDR.
so is there a flight data recorder or not, p-tech? make up your mind.
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1. The witnesses to the "flight", were 10 and 5 miles northwest of the crash site. Second time statement of that point. Sorry you missed the first one.
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So there WAS a plane?

Where did it go?

Did it get sucked into the invisible Zionist mothership with a tractor beam?
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So there WAS a plane?

Where did it go?

Did it get sucked into the invisible Zionist mothership with a tractor beam?
Okay BW, let me get this straight. P-tech is posting testimony from witnesses that saw a plane crash that contradicts what other witnesses have said about a plane crashing. P-tech is using flight 93's FDR information as evidence to support P-techs theory that
there was no plane?
So Ptech is saying..."there is no plane, and I am going to post information from the plane (FDR) to prove it."

ptech, if you don't believe there was a plane...why are you posting testimony from witnesses that there was a plane?
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