Titanium Cat

Typical twoofer babbling, you'd rather do anything instead of providing evidence for your argument.

Yada yada yada, more babbling that has no possibility of being substantiated.

Let's get this straight, the government planted witnesses who lived in rural Pennsylvannia to make statements that would contradict with the FDR data. So if the FDR didn't contradict them then you wouldn't think they were fabricated? Is that what you are saying?

Hold on now. If the FDR is fabricated then why would you use it to judge the statements of the eyewitnesses to be fabricated? If they were telling the truth then their statements should contradict the FDR data if it was fabricated. You're going to have to explain this masterpiece of logical deduction on your part.

Except of course for the large amount of evidence that indicates that a 757 crashed in that field.

I call you a liar because that is what you are, a person who tells lies.

Yet the witness statements contradict your claim that there was nothing there. Various witnesses saw pieces of the fuselage.

I don't give a shit whether or not you find it irrelevant.

Sure it did. Yet despite having this awakening you are completely incapable of providing even a shred of evidence to support your position. This of course is a strong indictator that what you believe is in fact the illusion.

More irrelevant twoofer babbling and once again ZERO EVIDENCE. Ptech is good at rambling but really really bad at proving anything other than the fact he is nothing but a bullshitter.

Ptech

TC

Once again for the record, neither of us cares what the other thinks, but we both display this compulsive behavior to talk about it on the internet.

You prefer not to acknowledge whether or not you understand the government's frequent mendacity. To me, that means you do understand it, but you prefer a selective application of the general principle.

This whole damn thing is a lie, particpated in by many. The coverup is really more criminal than the act itself, IMO. You participate in the coverup, whether by pure ignorance or by agenda. There are psychological defense mechanisms at play also, and my bet is THAT is what drives you. But we've never met, and I'm not a shrink.

Show me some of the evidence that a Boeing crashed at Shanksville, and please don't show me any of the Ashcroft or Gonzalez Justice Department's bullshit evidence in the Moussaoui trial.

Put Susan McElwain in your Google machine. She is ANOTHER witness, but not one paid by the government. You can find a few threads about her testimony over at Pilots for Truth.org

But you probably won't look, because it might rain on your parade.

Adios cupcake.

bdd1

I'd like to read ptech's logical explanation myself, should be fun seeing it circle the bowl and disappear in to the true home of truther logic!

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Titanium Cat

Once again here we have Ptech off on yet another one of his little rants. The reason is obvious, he can't explain his "logic" (and I use that term very loosely). He knows that his last post didn't make any sense and that his explanation for why he thinks the eyewitnesses are government plants is completely ridiculous.

He thinks the witnesses are lying because their testimony contradicts the FDR data. But he thinks the FDR data is fabricated! If the FDR data is fabricated the witness testimony should contradict it if they were telling the truth. Yet Ptech comes to the exact opposite conclusion. Classic twoofer logic.

bdd1 has posted numerous pictures of the wreckage. Hundreds of people worked on the crash site for days seperating metal, earth, and human remains. You would call them all liars. And I already posted what witnesses who first arrived there said that they saw which included pieces of the shredded fuselage.

But again you can't even link any of her testimony and give us an explanation of what it contradicts and how it does so. Because you don't want to actually debate the facts because you know that under scrutiny your so called contradictions quickly become explanable. Just like before when you claimed that the eye witnesses in Lambertsville contradicted the FDR data but of course were dead wrong about it. You read somewhere that it did but never bothered to check it yourself. Lazy twoofer.

Bye bye bitch.

Titanium Cat

Yeah twoofer logic is a sight to behold. Better be careful and flush twice, you don't want that stuff coming back up.

DanS.

That's pretty much the long and short of these discussion...The same people who claim to be objective free thinkers by challenging the "official story" don't bother being objective about what they think is evidence backing up their story.....somebody, somewhere told them that it did....and that was good enough for them.

bdd1

a bit like religion wouldn't you say?

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Titanium Cat

That's why most of them just cut & paste. No thinking involved. Ask them for an explanation or raise a few questions about it and they will give you another cut & paste job. I doubt they read half the crap they post or link to and often when they do it's something that doesn't even support their claims or even contradicts it.

Ptech is too lazy to cut and paste though. But he's good at making shit up.

Ptech

You WISH I was making it up.

I managed to provide a link to Architects & Engineers, and it was immediately rejected as bullshit by the same people who buy into the Zelikow Commission's lies and omissions.

Ditto Pilots For Truth.

TC is gullible enough to believe that the US Justice Department does not conduct Kangaroo Courts, but that is exactly what happened with the Moussaoui trial. If there had been fuselage parts there, people would have seen it and talked about it. It would have shown up on video footage shot from helicopters. But it didn't.

Y'all are in such deep denial that nothing will change your minds. It is cognitive dissonance that you folks display. The lawyers call it wilful ignorance.

It doesn't matter at all. I simply find it interesting to probe the thought processes, or observe the thought processes of people so far into denial. Call it bizarre, but I find it fascinating. Some people just have different thought processes, and there is nothing I can do about it. It's still fun to play with.

Titanium Cat

Oooooooooo, Ptech made a link!!! Too bad it was only to the home page. Did you know that you can link to other pages as well, like maybe the one that actually contains the information you are talking about?

Nothing on that page supported anything you claimed.

You mean like the eye witnesses that I quoted that mentioned pieces of the fuselage?

Why don't you show us some of that footage.

So I guess you still don't have an explanation for your "logic"?

Let me refresh it for you:

You thinks the witnesses are lying because their testimony contradicts the FDR data. But you thinks the FDR data is fabricated! If the FDR data is fabricated then the witness testimony should contradict it if they were telling the truth. Yet you came to the exact opposite conclusion.

Can you explain why Peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetech?