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Old 07-17-2008, 11:10 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Why did he wait so long to come forward? My guess is the interviewers took that long to find him. And he was still overly paranoid about revealing too many details. Assuming he still works for government, I guess that is not unusual behavior.

It seems to me he is basically telling the truth, though the details might be lacking. The power was already turned off in the building, or nearly so, making exploding transformers a poor explanation for the explosions he heard. I thought transformers had to be outside anyway?

As for matching up with seismic records, I'm not convinced that explosions small enough to destroy the 6th floor landing and not the walls would be recorded.

I've read somewhere that a triage center had been set up in the lobby in accordance with the TRIPOD exercise, and his testimony does not mention that.

Considering that some of the occupants of the building were govt agencies, including SEC and some records, explosions before noon are most interesting. So too, if the lobby had been destroyed before he got out.
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Old 07-17-2008, 11:22 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Although that interview is relatively recent he was interviewed on 9/11 and claims it was edited to make it seem he was talking about one of the twin towers. That interview may even be posted on one of the threads here but I can't recall where ... I saw the old one as recently as a month ago.
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Old 07-17-2008, 11:24 AM   #13 (permalink)
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PS what's with bdd1 and The Lion King?
What does that have to do with anything here?
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Why did he wait so long to come forward? My guess is the interviewers took that long to find him. And he was still overly paranoid about revealing too many details. Assuming he still works for government, I guess that is not unusual behavior.

It seems to me he is basically telling the truth, though the details might be lacking.
I have said that his story basically fits if you move the timeline forward about an hour, maybe a little less. I think he is confused about it because the details he gives are simply not possible in the timeline he presents but more or less fit if shifted ahead.

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The power was already turned off in the building, or nearly so, making exploding transformers a poor explanation for the explosions he heard.
No it's not, transformers subjected to the heat of fires can explode regardless of whether they are live with power.

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I thought transformers had to be outside anyway?
There are transformers of numerous sizes and purposes, in tall buildings there is little choice but to have some of them inside.

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As for matching up with seismic records, I'm not convinced that explosions small enough to destroy the 6th floor landing and not the walls would be recorded.
The explosion would have had to have done the the large amount of damage to the outside of the building that Jennings observed from the 8th floor and that would certainly include the walls. An explosion large enough to make it look like part of the building was gone would be substantial in size and large enough to register a seismic shock.

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I've read somewhere that a triage center had been set up in the lobby in accordance with the TRIPOD exercise, and his testimony does not mention that.
Yes but he wouldn't have necessarily seen the triage center or recognized it as such if he was up in the OEM by 10:00am.

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Considering that some of the occupants of the building were govt agencies, including SEC and some records, explosions before noon are most interesting. So too, if the lobby had been destroyed before he got out.
There was massive damage to the lobby from the North tower collapse as there was to other buildings. Fires started right after the collapse which was at 10:29am and spread to other floors, there is nothing odd about explosions happening before noon whatsoever.
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Old 07-17-2008, 11:49 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Well the obvious question becomes why were there no collapses of the other buildings struck?

And of course, what started these fires, what was being burned that exceeded the fire code, and how on earth could such fires cause such a quick collapse and so symmetrical?
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Well the obvious question becomes why were there no collapses of the other buildings struck?
The Verizon building didn't catch fire. The other WTC buildings were heavily damaged and couldn't be saved and were later demolished.

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And of course, what started these fires, what was being burned that exceeded the fire code, and how on earth could such fires cause such a quick collapse and so symmetrical?
Well here we go 'round the Mulberry Bush. This is no longer about Barry Jennings story.

The so called symmetry of the collapses has been discussed ad infinitum in other threads as have the fires etc.
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Old 07-17-2008, 12:31 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I cannot blame you for the dodge, kid.
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Old 07-17-2008, 12:39 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I cannot blame you for the dodge, kid.
I made no dodge. I have posted before about the so called symmetry of the collapses. The start of the collapse was not symmetric, the top of the buildings collapsed to one side. After the that the sequential dynamic loads on the floors below took the buildings almost straight down. Gravity works that way, several hundred thousand tons of steel and concrete want to go down vertically and only a small portion subjected to the collision energy of the collapsing building will gain significant horizontal momentum.

The symmetry was totally broken at the bottom though as numerous floors of support columns remained standing for several moments before collapsing.

Nice dodge by you however in changing the subject from the thread topic of Jennings story and how it provides nothing that can substantially contradict the so called official story.
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Nothing can contradict the official story?

Shit, nothing can support the official story, and virtually all the evidence contradicts the official story.

I'm not sure of your position, but Brian insists that the times of collapse are not even CLOSE to free fall.

The only way buildings can come down like those 3 did is with the assistance of explosives. Despite BDD's meager offerings here, there are no other instances of modern buildings collapsing that way WITHOUT explosives.

Protest all you wish, but anybody who believes that nonsense about a 10 second collapse time for the towers, and whatever it was for 7, as being normal collapse times is in deep, deep denial.

The Jennings testimony simply shows that the destruction of that building began way earlier in the day than I had previously understood.
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Nothing can contradict the official story?

Shit, nothing can support the official story, and virtually all the evidence contradicts the official story.
Except of course Ptech can't link a single piece of evidence to support this claim of his. All that evidence supposingly out there and he is ZERO for a MILLION whatever.

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I'm not sure of your position, but Brian insists that the times of collapse are not even CLOSE to free fall.
Where did he say that? The towers fell at near free fall rates which were perfectly in line with how they should fall when you calculate the dynamic loads and total momentum.

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The only way buildings can come down like those 3 did is with the assistance of explosives. Despite BDD's meager offerings here, there are no other instances of modern buildings collapsing that way WITHOUT explosives.
You haven't a clue about how buildings come down or are constructed. You have demonstrated your ignorance on the topic numerous times.

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Protest all you wish, but anybody who believes that nonsense about a 10 second collapse time for the towers, and whatever it was for 7, as being normal collapse times is in deep, deep denial.
Protest all you wish but anyone who believes that nonsense about the buildings coming down in a controlled demolition is a delusional moron.

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The Jennings testimony simply shows that the destruction of that building began way earlier in the day than I had previously understood.
Except of course that it doesn't and you couldn't refute a single contradition that I brought up that demonstrates his timeline as false. Not one.
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