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Dr. Albert Pastore: An Independent Investigation of 9-11 and the War on Terrorism

Ptech

Well that pretty well confirms that it was NOT the falling debris that started the process in 7.

Great interview, thanks.

bdd1

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Duvidoo

And where were Penn and Teller on 9/11 that they have such convincing insights for you, castrati? Maybe they felled the three WTC towers with their sleight of hand ... better put Judy Wood on that lead right away. Leger-de-main can whup steel any old day.

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bdd1

Thanks for the byline in your signature....If it was meant to be insulting then you better try harder!

The lion king?!!!

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Ptech

...once again, no substantive comment from BDD and/or the peanut gallery.

This kind of information causes all sorts of problems for the OCT pimps.

Does Not Compute

Titanium Cat

Why doesn't one of the twoofers create a timeline for events based on Jennings story?

I find a variety of things he says at odds with what we know are true. Let's start with when he arrived at WTC 7.

In the second part he says he arrived a little before or a little after 9. It certainly seems that he couldn't have gotten there any earlier then 9am because by his own statements in interview one he was on his way to work when he got a call about a Cessna hitting the North Tower. The North Tower strike occured at 8:46am so the call would come sometime after that, probably getting pretty close to 9am at the earliest. Given he was already in his car when he got the call he could arrive at WTC 7 a little after 9am but not earlier.

Now here is where his story starts conflicting with the facts. He claims that police took him to the evevators and that he and Hess went up to the OEM office on the 23rd floor but they couldn't get in. So they went back down to the lobby and then fire fighters took them to the freight elevators and then they went back up and were finally able to get in. He claims that he was inside the OEM when the plane hit the South Tower but that he didn't know or could see anything because the office was filled with giant TV screens that weren't operating. The office at this point had already been evacuated with people leaving their coffee and sandwiches.

But Flight 175 hit the South tower at 9:03am, which is when Jennings would have been lucky to just be arriving at WTC7. Yet he supposingly went up to the 23rd floor, tried to get in, came back down again, got the fire fighters to take him to the freight elevators and then went back up to the 23rd floor when he finally got in. And somehow he managed to do all this before 9:03am to be inside the OEM when Flight 175 hit? That is simply not possible.

Now let us examine another part of his story. He talks about them going down the stairs and getting to the 6th floor at which time there was an explosion that destroyed part of the stairwell and forced them back up to the eighth floor. He then smashed out the windows and saw burning cars and buses. Now if this was a bomb in the WTC7 it would have had to had been a big one to do the kind of damage he describes and also set fire to vehicles outside of the building. We have the two plane crashes and then the two tower collapses. The building 7 explosion would have had to have occured after the south tower strike and before the south tower collapse according to Jennings account. Yet there is no seismic event recorded for it? How could that be?

When he got back up to the 8th floor and he knocked out the windows he said he saw the burning cars and buses and also that he looked both ways. He claims he was on the North side according to the stairwell. He says he looked one way and the building was gone and he looked the other way and it was still there. Now we have lots of pictures of WTC 7 taken on September 11th but none of them show significant damage to the North side of the building which was facing away and farthest from the twin towers. However if one was to look out the West side of the building and look South you could see the massive damage done to the Southwest corner of the building by the collapse of the North Tower. If you were to look the other direction, North, the building would have been undamaged. Now according to Jennings story he observed this before the South tower had even collapsed, let alone the North tower. Now all of the pictures of the building show heavy damage to the Southwest corner but nothing of the sort to other places that would look like what Jennings described.

If a bomb had damaged it according to his time line then it would have had to have happened over half an hour before the North Tower collapsed. Yet we have no pictures or collaborating witnesses that support anything remotely resembling that kind of damage before the North Tower collapse. And then we would also have to believe that the damage from the North tower collapse was in the exact position of the bomb damage that Jennings claims because we do not see pictures of that level of damage anywhere else in the building after the tower collapse. Not to mention that the the kind of damage we see to the Southwest corner of WTC 7 isn't like what would result from an interior bomb blast, it was vertical damage spanning about a dozen floors, exactly the kind that would result from heavy debris falling from above.

Can truthers actually attempt to discuss this by addressing the points?

1. His time line for events simply do not fit known parameters starting from claiming to be inside the OEM when the South Tower was struck.
2. No seismic event exists for the large explosion he describes in WTC 7 which would have occured after 9:03am and before 9:59am.
3. The damage he describes is consistent with what occured from the North Tower collapse.
4. No pictures or witnesses collaborate massive damage to WTC 7 before the North Tower collapse.
5. No pictures demonstrate massive damage to WTC 7 other than that from the North Tower collapse.

Jennings sounds very confused about his timeline. Nothing collaborates his timeline, well established events and photographic evidence contradict it.

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Well that is certainly one of your better posts TC.

As for a precise time line, do we know when it was that he gave that interview? I don't. My impression was that it was fairly recently. If so, I would expect the time portions of the story to be somewhat vague.

I too found his narrative as to looking out the windows left and right to be quite vague.

His description of the explosions he was hearing inside the building make me think they were on the smaller side, thus not likely to be recorded as seismic events.

The damage he was describing was inside the building, for the most part, not outside of it.

I'm not sure of the names, but I have read other testimony from people that were inside the building that day that in general terms corroborate his story.

Titanium Cat

It appears to be a fairly recent interview. Yes I would expect some vagueness by him in terms of actual times that he says things happened but that does not apply to the order of events that he describes. His story timeline violates known and precisely defined events. There is simply no way he could have been in the OEM when the second plane struck just 17 minutes after the first strike from how he says things happened. And from there on the damage and events he describes does not match what other witness recall, the pictures of damage done to the building, or the seismic records.

But he clearly describes cars and buses on fire, that's not something one is going to be vague about. And he clearly says that he looked one way and the building was gone and that it wasn't the other way. One could debate what he meant by "gone" in terms of damage but at the very least it would require a significant amount of exterior damage to the building. Which not coincidentally sounds very much like what one would describe the damage done to the Southwest corner by the North Tower collapse, huge chunks of a dozen floors were gone and starting around the eight floor which was his vantage point.

Yes but that was after the first explosion which he described as destroying the stairwell on the 6th floor which left him hanging. He had to pull himself back up after which he headed up to the 8th floor. The other explosions he describes could in fact be on the smaller side but that is what you'd hear as fires spread throughout the building after being struck by the North tower and things like electrical transformers blew up. The initial explosion he describes which did the damage to the stairwell and the one side of the building would have had to have been a large one which would have created a seismic event. But it was never recorded.

But he clearly describes looking outside of the 8th floor and in one direction saying that the building was gone. That is definitely not inside damage and it is defintely not minor damage.

I have not read any testimony from anyone else inside the building that refers to any sort of significant damage before the North Tower collapse. There is a lot of testimony from fire fighters who were using the building as a staging center and they don't mention anything of the sort. And we have no photographic evidence to back his story up, it actually conflicts with his story of WTC7 being significantly damaged before the North Tower collapse. Once again you'd have to provide the names, quotes, and sources so the context of the witness statements and the timelines could be evaluated.

I think Jennings is confused about being in the OEM when the South Tower was hit and that he was in or on his way up to the OEM when the South Tower collapsed. That would put his time line off by about an hour, maybe a little less. It makes sense from when he likely would have arrived at WTC7 (after 9) and then met Hess and began their attempt to get up to the 23rd floor. From there he himself said that he made several phone calls to people who ended up telling him to get out of there. Hess comes in and tells him they have to go. They then get out and use the stairwell and on their way down to the 6th floor the North tower collapses (30 minutes after the South Tower collapse) and does the damage to the WTC7. We know he is wrong about being on the North side of the building as there was no significant damage to it even in pictures taken after the North tower collapse. It sounds like he made his way up to the 8th floor and then broke the windows and looked out the West side of the building. From there he'd see the damage on the street to vehicles and to the Southwest corner of the building and when looking the other way he'd see no damage to the Northwest side of the building.

He then describes the firemen as coming and going twice which he attributes to the two tower collapses, but that is his interpretation of why they left and came back, there are of course various other reasons for them to be moving about outside of WTC7. The building was struck and fires had broken out and they would assessing rescue and fire fighting operations. It's very odd that Jennings never described the effects of the tower collapses he said occured while he was waiting by the window where he was trapped for several hours as opposed to saying the fire fighters left and came back. If he had been there especially when the North tower collapsed he would have seen (and felt) the chaotic blast of debris and dust which filled the streets and smashed into WTC7 and surrounding buildings. He'd have seen a hell of a lot more than just fire fighters leaving to go check out the collapse yet that is all he mentions. But if the North tower had already collapsed then that is what he'd have seen, the fire fighters leaving.

Once you adjust for his timeline being off by an hour or a little less his story falls into place with known and precisely fixed events and the damage he saw all makes sense. Otherwise none of the photographic evidence supports his story, the seismic evidence, or the other witnesses especially the fire fighters who were at WTC7.

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bdd1

No substantive comment as there was nothing of substance to comment on!

but some questions: why did he wait so long to come forward?
I wonder what his speaking tour rate will be?
Did the loose change limp dicks pay him up front or will he get a chunk of the back end sales?
the only thing that is true about this is twoofers will pay fat money to any one who confirms the delusions.

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