Titanium Cat

Part One: Flight 11

Duvidoo posted a link to the Vanity Fair article about the NORAD response to 9/11. It's pretty detailed and includes lots of actual recordings of what was communicated on that day. The times seem to match up well so far with what I've seen before.

9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes: Politics & Power: vanityfair.com

So how bad was the NORAD response to 9/11? There are two truther claims about that are often repeated. The first is that the military response was intentionally slow, perhaps directed by Cheney et al so as to purposely not intercept any of the hijacked planes (or drones ). The second was that NORAD exercises that day significantly delayed NORAD's response which prevented any possible interceptions. There is typically an implied belief that the exercises were scheduled that day for that very purpose, once again by higher ups in the Bush administration.

I'm going to do some cutting & pasting from the Vanity Fair article with some running commentary.

We begin when NEADS gets its first notification of any problem on 9/11
Now we get some very interesting comments about the NEADS radar equipment. Pay attention Ptech because this is exactly what Brian was talking about. Finding the "lost" planes with their transponders turned off is like finding a needle in a haystack.

Now we get the first scramble of fighters for possible interception. Note that NEADS doesn't have Flight 11 on its scopes and is more or less just guestimating a set of coordinates to fly towards.

Flight 11 hits WTC 1 a little less than 9 minutes after NEADS was first notified of a problem with it. One can hardly blame NORAD for failing to intercept Flight 11. About 5 minutes later NEADS finds out that a plane has hit the North tower.

The NEADS commander wants to the F-15's to continue to New York even though it seems that Flight 11 has already hit the WTC but they aren't sure of it.

It's now 10 minutes after Flight 11 has hit WTC 1 and they still aren't sure it was actually Flight 11, the FAA won't confirm it. At this point they have no idea about Flight 175 and that it has been hijacked.

Clearly the FAA and AA aren't making matters any easier for NORAD. The lack of confirmation about Flight 11 will compound problems later on:

Note how the author says the airlines routinely go into information lockdown in a crisis, so their response on 9/11 doesn't seem unusual in that regard.

Summary

• NORAD had a little less than 9 minutes to respond to Flight 11 before it hit the North tower
• Their outdated scopes couldn't locate Flight 11 with its transponder turned off
• Fighters were scrambled but without a definitive location to intercept and obviously too late, even at top speed it would take them 10 minutes to reach New York.
• Lack of confirmation that it was Flight 11 which struck WTC 1 would have repercussions later on that day

End of Part One

Ptech

Bravo TC! And started a new thread to boot!!

Now to put things in perspective, if you can find one of those books, read Chapter One of DRG's "Debunking 911 Debunking." If you are interested in a detailed analysis of all the NORAD/FAA interaction, and that interaction as viewed by the Zelikow Commission, read that chapter.

The point is that there was alot of confusion that day, and the biggest single reason for that, IMO, was the conduct of the training exercise Vigilant Guardian.

Several career FAA types have described how the reaction that day was NOT standard. And if you go back and review a subtle procedural change made a few months earlier by the White House, you will understand even better how the events of the day were manipulated by those within the system.

Titanium Cat

David Ray Griffin is a dumbass piece of shit who wouldn't know the truth if you hit him in the face with it. Remember he's the fool who claimed that lists with the word "victim" right in their name were passenger manifests.

Yet you can provide no evidence to support this claim.

LOL, no fuck Sherlock. How many times in history has more than one plane been hijacked in the US on the same day? How many times has a hijacked plane been intentionally crashed?

Say you can't even provide the procedural change to show us what you are actually talking about. What a surprise.

brian_wilbanks

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Ptech

Now how did I know that would be your reply? Gosh, I guess I'm getting to know you too damn well!

You, TC, are nothing but a tech-savvy and petulant juvenile who too frequently does not have a clue as to what she is talking about.

Assuming you are female.

DRG has more knowledge and common sense in his little finger than you have in your entire body, titanium cranium included.

Here's a clue, for the umpteenth time TC--when you must resort to attacking the messenger, as you do all the time, it is a dead giveaway that you have nothing of substance to offer. It is a clear sign your argument cannot prevail, and you are aware of it.

brian_wilbanks

You mean the way doopdeedoo keeps refering to me and others as government stooges?

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Titanium Cat

As opposed to you, some old fart who hasn't a clue what they are talking about and makes a total fool of themselves posting idiotic garbage on a regular basis.

Except of course he doesn't. He's a classic dumbass twoofer and dishonest as well.

You haven't posted anything of substance to actually make an argument. You are good at posting false information and making idiotic claims.

Ptech

Idiotic in your cruel world darling.

Titanium Cat

Idiotic is claiming that steel always wins over aluminum.
Idiotic is claiming that steel support columns weren't severed by the airliners when they hit the WTC towers.
Idiotic is claiming witnesses were planted because their stories didn't agree with FDR data which you claimed was false.

Now that stuff is truly idiotic.

Titanium Cat

Yes exactly like that Brian. Just like Ptech is always accusing everyone of being delusional for believing in the OCT. It's okay for them to use such tactics because that's all they really have after their "facts" have been demonstrated as false.