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Old 11-29-2007, 11:26 AM   #101 (permalink)
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I used to consider myself conservative, ..until a bunch of bigoted christian right wing assholes claimed the title in the name of anti-intellectualism.

The fact that the morons running our country call themselves "conservatives" makes me want to do this -
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Old 11-29-2007, 11:29 AM   #102 (permalink)
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All this talk still about burning the flag being cowardly...Seems to me, Bornwhacked is the coward. He seems scared to death that someone is going to burn his beloved OLD glory. Emphasis on the "old". Yet, wouldn't the cowardly thing be more along the lines of not doing something because it is unpopular even if you think it needs to be done? It's unpatriotic to burn the flag, therefore, I will not do it. THAT is cowardly. Doing unpopular things to make a point/make a stand against hypocrisy and deviant departmental doings is decidedly hypocrisy. Notice I said "unpopular" not illegal.

And I'm having a real hard time buying hypocrisy story...And yes, you ARE trying to sell it. According to your profile, you are a farmer. I think that's questionable, too. Thing is, everyone lies. My profile is blank. No pretense. You can't look at my profile and form an opinion about what type of a person you think I am. Hopefully anonymity brings honesty to the table, but in some cases, anonymity is just an excuse to be an ass.
I will have to live with the fact that you do not like me. I state things as I see them with the attempt not to step too hard on peoples feelings unless forced right into it. We are obviously opposites and I really think I can live without you liking me. I did not lie about my brief profile but hey you state you do not like me so I guess we will both have to survive with our views of the other person. I was not attempting to attack you personally at any point just the cowardly practice of burning the American flag.

On post #89 I made a comment on the Confederate flag yet I got no response from you. The post was directed to you. Surely you can not claim "spin" on this example.
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Old 11-29-2007, 11:42 AM   #103 (permalink)
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I enlisted in the Marine Corps while I was attending college. I am not attempting to be superior to anyone, just responsible and respectable to my country.

Would you feel it ok to walk down the streets of Harlem carrying the Confederate flag high? The Confederate flag means different things to different people. With many it has become a negative thing which they have been taught to remind them that their ansestors were slaves. Is it proper to shove this in their faces. After all it is made of cloth and probably made in China.
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I will have to live with the fact that you do not like me. I state things as I see them with the attempt not to step too hard on peoples feelings unless forced right into it. We are obviously opposites and I really think I can live without you liking me. I did not lie about my brief profile but hey you state you do not like me so I guess we will both have to survive with our views of the other person. I was not attempting to attack you personally at any point just the cowardly practice of burning the American flag.

On post #89 I made a comment on the Confederate flag yet I got no response from you. The post was directed to you. Surely you can not claim "spin" on this example.


Of course I can claim spin. You once said the noose in the tree was nothing more than a piece of rope which didn't bother any of your near and dear african american friends. Why does a symbol of hatred rate to you, but not a symbol that is BECOMING a symbol of hatred?
If my purpose was to piss people off and throw memories of slavery into their faces, of course I wouldn't parade it down the streets of Harlem. If I had a reason to do so, I would. If it helped snap people out of their comatose existense, their dependancy on a government without their interests at heart, you are damn right I would.
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Id like to take your premise a step further, BR. Do you think black people should be arrested if they were publicly burning a confederate flag?

...after all, we're talking about flag burning here, not waving it in someones face.... - civil war veterans not included in your high and mighty "defend the flag" crusade?

How about a jew burning a swastika? Is that ok with you in our society?

How about the son of a wrongly accused gitmo detainee who was killed while being interogated? Should he be allowed to publicly burn a flag to make his point? How about a Cherokee, or a Navajo burning the stars and stripes? Nope. I imagine thats where you draw the line on freedom of expression. (that is, when it violates your delicate sensibilities).

I suggest you go to China, or somewhere similar where they actually legislate patriotism. Have fun.
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Id like to take your premise a step further, BR. Do you think black people should be arrested if they were publicly burning a confederate flag?

...after all, we're talking about flag burning here, not waving it in someones face.... - civil war veterans not included in your crusade?

How about a jew burning a swastika? Is that ok with you in our society?

How about the son of a wrongly accused gitmo detainee who was killed while being interogated? Should he be allowed to publicly burn a flag to make his point? How about a Cherokee, or a Navajo burning the stars and stripes? Nope. I imagine thats where you draw the line on freedom of expression. (that is, when it violates your delicate sensibilities).


Speaking of which, what's become of the sixth amendment? You know the one: The right to face your accuser.
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Id like to take your premise a step further, BR. Do you think black people should be arrested if they were publicly burning a confederate flag?

...after all, we're talking about flag burning here, not waving it in someones face.... - civil war veterans not included in your high and mighty "defend the flag" crusade?

How about a jew burning a swastika? Is that ok with you in our society?

How about the son of a wrongly accused gitmo detainee who was killed while being interogated? Should he be allowed to publicly burn a flag to make his point? How about a Cherokee, or a Navajo burning the stars and stripes? Nope. I imagine thats where you draw the line on freedom of expression. (that is, when it violates your delicate sensibilities).

I suggest you go to China, or somewhere similar where they actually legislate patriotism. Have fun.
Since it is not against the law for someone to burn the American flag I would assume that it is not against the law to burn the other symbols that you have listed. So my answer is no they should not be jailed if it is not against the law.

The American flag represents this country and therefore should not be burned by those that owe so much to this country. If you hate the country so badly perhaps you can find one that is better suited to you. By the way I have invested way too much sweat to turn this country over to liberals. I think I will hang around and continue to support my country hopfully keeping it strong and full of opportunities for those that will put forth the effort.
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Speaking of which, what's become of the sixth amendment? You know the one: The right to face your accuser.
The sixth amendment is still in there.
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:01 PM   #108 (permalink)
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Since it is not against the law for someone to burn the American flag I would assume that it is not against the law to burn the other symbols that you have listed. So my answer is no they should not be jailed if it is not against the law.

The American flag represents this country and therefore should not be burned by those that owe so much to this country. If you hate the country so badly perhaps you can find one that is better suited to you. By the way I have invested way too much sweat to turn this country over to liberals. I think I will hang around and continue to support my country hopfully keeping it strong and full of opportunities for those that will put forth the effort.
Like the Cherokee?

Dodging my point, while insinuating that I hate this country. , and fearing that the dreaded liberals are trying to take it from you. (convenient horseshit ignorant anti-logic)

At least I love my country enough to pay fucking attantion to the principles it was founded upon. (Apparently you dont understand them, but thats OK!)

Free your mind, and your ass will follow, BR.

Holy moly. Like debating a brick wall, or showing a dog a card trick.

Lets just agree to disagree. MMkay.
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Like the Cherokee?

Dodging my point, while insinuating that I hate this country. , and the liberals are trying to take it from you. (convenient horseshit ignorant anti-logic)

At least I love my country enough to pay fucking attantion to the principles it was founded upon. (Apparently you dont understand them, but thats OK!)

Free your mind, and your ass will follow, BR.

Holy moly. Like debating a brick wall, or showing a dog a card trick.

Lets just agree to disagree. MMkay.
How liberal of you!
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How liberal of you!
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Sweet. At last we come to your final logical ammo. Nice job, Bornright. You win.

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