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my sister is a waitress and a good friend is a waitress. i still dont think that i have to give them a tip. it is a cop-out for employers. i am all for them getting a payraise. though the minimum here, $8.40 is not great, its not terrible. but what about other workers who get the minimum and work shitty jobs? am i supposed to tip them too?

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Heavy_monkey2.0

Honestly, if you feel like giving any person a "tip" you probably should, this isnt the same thing as 'expectiong' to give a person a tip.


if you interacted with that person and they had a positive effect on your experience and you feel like they deserve something extra...why not?

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Here in Australia, we don't tip. I know it is expected in the United States, though.
Personally, I would only tip if I felt it was deserved. You cannot offer poor service and expect to get a tip - it must be earned.
I am aware that many people in need of tips are likely not earning that much money, and may rely on tips, but at the same time, you cannot expect someone to give you a tip just because you are struggling to make ends meet.

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In NYC, tipping is the law (seemingly)

You've got to grease everyone if you want to survive. Too little parking...gotta give the doorman a little something or you get towed while you're trying to make a delivery.


I too get a little put off by the tip jars on every counter. If I grab a slice of pizza, the 30 seconds it took the employee to deal w/my slice doesn't earn a tip...especially since a slice is now $3.00 due to the price of propane.

But, if I order a pie, and ask them to make sure the veggies on said pizza don't get the crust soggy, I throw a dollar in the jar for their troubles.


If waitstaff were paid what they earn in potential tips, the cost of dining out would be much more expensive. I like the current system...pay them according to their performance. If they don't like the job, get a different one.

Many who work for tips, are smart enough to embrace the situation, and ultimately earn more money than they would working at another unskilled/semi skilled job.


I have no problem playing the game, just as I have no problem not leaving a good tip for an ass who doesn't give me good service.

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BleedingPinky

Same here. No tips. Waiters-waitress earn their money through a usual employment contract, no tax avoidance involved.

Lolli

There's a lot of occupations where people have to put up with other people's crap and they don't get tipped - nurses for example.

When you go to a restaurant - you're already paying for the service and meal with the bill - tipping is additional money for a job well done and it's optional.

What I don't like is when a tip is included the bill - I refuse to go to those kinds of restaurants -- ah, I don't eat much at restaurants anymore for a variety of reasons though.

Since I'm on a rant, I also really dislike having to tip for services you've already paid for - like hairstylist...if you're already paying $40+ for a haircut, why should I tip? I do because I feel obligated to but I don't agree with it.

cheapseats

Maybe initially, but I think the end result would be fewer restaurants. And the truth is, if you can't afford to pay employees enough for a subsistence living, you can't afford to hire employees.

We have too many of everything. More restaurants = fewer patrons in each = higher prices to earn the same income.


But isn't it EMPLOYERS who should pay EMPLOYEES according to their performance? Customers let employers know about performance by rate of patronage.

Someone does especially well by you...or you just like them, like the Las Vegas lovelies that HeavyMonkey mentioned...feel free to slip them a little something. A tip, a lottery ticket, your phone number...your affair. But it is the BUSINESS of employers to pay their employees' wages.

We support a business by buying their goods or services AND we pay their employees? It is madness.


Read that, most who work for tips and cash under-report their income for tax purposes.

I have a friend in Orange County who treats her animals better than many parents treat their children. She PAYS a lady to come walk her dog every day at lunch. She pays the same lady to housesit...read that, I quote, "stay with the kids"...when she travels.

Payment is strictly by cash.

This dog walker/house sitter in Orange County...who you must book WELL in advance, if you mean to take a trip...clears SIX FIGURES.

Not gross. Net. She CLEARS six figures.


Take women's retail, just as a fer instance. Big, BIG bucks at the Head Honcho level, but quite modest wages for sales clerks. ASSOCIATES, I believe they are now called...Sales Associates.

Believe you me, once a girl gets back there with twelve pair of jeans, twenty bathing suits or...horror of horrors, the panty/bra combos...she gets to calling over the door for that poorly paid clerk to bring her another size, another style, another color...another body.

Shall these clerks also be tipped?

One pays to a business the price of furniture AND a surcharge for delivery of same, but then ought also to tip the delivery men? Pay for the big-screen TV AND installation, then tip the installer?

Dental hygienists, what of them?

If it will be acceptable for consumers to underwrite the cost of doing business not only by patronizing the business but by directly paying a portion of employee wages, it stands to Reason that more and more businesses would encourage the practice.

Which, lo and behold, they do.

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Some interesting points, which makes me wonder just how we got to the point where tipping is the norm?


Then, there are the unwritten rules we must follow...is it really an insult to tip the business owner? I remember hearing that if a bar owner serves you, you aren't supposed to tip.

I own a business, and on rare occasions, my customers (usually the ones that live in the city) try to tip me. I refuse, but sometimes they insist.


I take many deliveries of kitchen cabinets. I throw the guys who offloaded the stuff $20.00 and tell them "coffee is on me". If you have a situation where the same guys deliver, they make it a point to be on time, and go out of their way.

I get wood deliveries, and sometimes the driver will help me hump the heavy sheets into the shop. This isn't his job, but I work alone, so it is a big help. I throw him 5-10 bucks, depending on the size of the delivery. He always makes like it isn't necessary, but I know he expects it..or rather...appreciates it. There are many stops where the owners expect him to go out of his way, and they don't give him anything. He's just the damn driver.


My stepson went to Spain last summer, and was amazed that tipping doesn't exist in the restaurants. He works weekends in an upscale steakhouse, and has made $200.00/night in tips on many occasions.


Either way, the policy seems to be firmly in place, so I guess I just go with it. I've got many, many friends who rely on tipping to feed their families, so I guess I don't think twice.


I do wonder how this all got started, though. When I was 12, I had a paper route. If I didn't get tips from my customers, I would have been working for virtually nothing.

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