Victim or no? - Page 2

AlineaHeart · 05-09-2008, 06:28 AM

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I thought the chalk was for the victim's outline?

W.M.DEEEZ · 05-09-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by AlineaHeart

I suspect it's about the spotlight too. In the karma game, I'm sure all of us have played the opposites a few times or have been exposed to both sides in some way. The duality game is losing it's luster, imo.

To me, the choices in childhood are the ones settled before incarnating. So, really, past life exploration would be a valid tool in the process of understanding why someone would make such choices.

I recall on the old board I had a thread asking what others would choose to come back as in their next life. I believe only Cosmicrocker replied, saying he wanted to be a really hot chick who runs for president.

Yet, the thread's point was to consider what lifestyle could you emerge into for whatever sets of experiences you're aiming to have. I'm hedging on fairy the next go round.

Past life might very well factor in, but my childhood reference was more about some warped incidents that might have occurred, that may have imprinted a young child in such a way.

What ever do you suppose would cause something like Munchausen Syndrome, and the likes? That takes some serious trauma, IMO.

As far as the next time around, I think that would have a lot to do with how we've lived this time around. I always figured I'd choose my next life, in order to correct the things that I screwed up this time.

Damn...I wonder what that would be.

Malkavian · 05-09-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AlineaHeart

Sigh. That wasn't the case. Mr. I must be able to measure it my lab.

Fine. What was it then?

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Well if you haven't seen them by now...

These?

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Lab rat.

Lab koala

Lolli · 05-09-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AlineaHeart

What if people are actually choosing to be a victim? Of course, it may not always be a conscious decision. Yet, there actually seems to be things one could gain from such an arrangement. Ability to chalk it up to experience and social status for starters. Just wondering what others' thoughts are on this.

I'm not sure what your question is but yes I think people consciously and unconsciously choose to be victims. I'm not sure what you man by chalking it up to experience and for social status though.

disfigured · 05-09-2008, 04:30 PM

Personally I hate drama queens. Especially when they're men. I have only slightly more sympathy for women.

I understand the dynamic behind it "woe always me". But it doesn't make listening to these jerkoffs any better.

I know it exists (self inflicted) , because there's no way some of the people I come in contact with could have that bad of luck. They unconsciously put themselves in a position to fail, or get screwed some how.

MarkMiller · 05-09-2008, 04:49 PM

I'm not quite sure what this originally is about but...playing a victim means you really are not a victim......if your playing anything it is not true. Setting oneself up as a victim is the same thing and drawing attention to ones own victimization in a big way may also be the same thing.

Many "Victims" are in reality preying on others, if it is their intention to use their being the victim for personal gain.

AlineaHeart · 05-15-2008, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by disfigured

Personally I hate drama queens. Especially when they're men. I have only slightly more sympathy for women.

I understand the dynamic behind it "woe always me". But it doesn't make listening to these jerkoffs any better.

I know it exists (self inflicted) , because there's no way some of the people I come in contact with could have that bad of luck. They unconsciously put themselves in a position to fail, or get screwed some how.

Actually, you're half right. "Luck" is determined by the individual, so, yes, someone could have that "bad" of luck.

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I'm not quite sure what this originally is about but...playing a victim means you really are not a victim......if your playing anything it is not true. Setting oneself up as a victim is the same thing and drawing attention to ones own victimization in a big way may also be the same thing.

Many "Victims" are in reality preying on others, if it is their intention to use their being the victim for personal gain.

Pay no attention to the immature play hog. "Role" is just a word they picked up on...but...what to make of Shakespeare?

AlineaHeart · 05-15-2008, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by W.M.DEEEZ

Past life might very well factor in, but my childhood reference was more about some warped incidents that might have occurred, that may have imprinted a young child in such a way.

What ever do you suppose would cause something like Munchausen Syndrome, and the likes? That takes some serious trauma, IMO.

Um, let me get this straight, you think volunteering for the experience "life" has to offer in some choices takes trauma? Especially, when they are "choosing" a "fake" trauma? I suggest not. "Volunteers" for that kind of experience are only out to relate to the others. I suggest the answer to this lies in how one heals. Understanding. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by W.M.DEEEZ

As far as the next time around, I think that would have a lot to do with how we've lived this time around. I always figured I'd choose my next life, in order to correct the things that I screwed up this time.

Damn...I wonder what that would be.

Linear time is such a bitch. I suspect it will have nothing to do with this time.

W.M.DEEEZ · 05-15-2008, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AlineaHeart

Um, let me get this straight, you think volunteering for the experience "life" has to offer in some choices takes trauma? Especially, when they are "choosing" a "fake" trauma? I suggest not. "Volunteers" for that kind of experience are only out to relate to the others. I suggest the answer to this lies in how one heals. Understanding. Simple as that.

Healing...our entire life may very well be about healing the ills of another life. Or, it may very well be a debt owed because of our actions in another life.

My theory...we choose a path to take this time around, because it will give us the experiences we need to endure, in order to "put things right".

So...perhaps the necessary path was to have abusive parents, because we were abusive in a past life. I suppose we only get to choose the experience...kind of like getting badges in the boy/girl scouts. We don't necessarily know how those experiences will manifest themselves, once we are "here"...in this life.

So...the person that comes back, and experiences the brutality that they once inflicted on others (in a previous life), and ultimately becomes some wierd drama queen, has failed again.

The person that comes back, and endures the hardships, and "sees the light", has been successful in their endeavor, and has made the necessary correction.

Just speculation

Perhaps enduring the Munchausen is the necessary puzzle piece, and the drama queen is actually successful too?

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Linear time is such a bitch. I suspect it will have nothing to do with this time.

And...I suspect it might....

ciaobox2007 · 05-15-2008, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AlineaHeart

What if people are actually choosing to be a victim? Of course, it may not always be a conscious decision. Yet, there actually seems to be things one could gain from such an arrangement. Ability to chalk it up to experience and social status for starters. Just wondering what others' thoughts are on this.

assuming the role of victim also allows for a guiltless conscience

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disfigured Who me? Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lowell MA USA Posts: 846 My Mood: Thanks: 3 Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts	Personally I hate drama queens. Especially when they're men. I have only slightly more sympathy for women. I understand the dynamic behind it "woe always me". But it doesn't make listening to these jerkoffs any better. I know it exists (self inflicted) , because there's no way some of the people I come in contact with could have that bad of luck. They unconsciously put themselves in a position to fail, or get screwed some how. __________________
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MarkMiller Dr. Zaius, Mark M. Archery 2000 Champion! Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,317 Thanks: 72 Thanked 47 Times in 37 Posts	I'm not quite sure what this originally is about but...playing a victim means you really are not a victim......if your playing anything it is not true. Setting oneself up as a victim is the same thing and drawing attention to ones own victimization in a big way may also be the same thing. Many "Victims" are in reality preying on others, if it is their intention to use their being the victim for personal gain.
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