PoliticalGroove Forums

Welcome to the PoliticalGroove Forums

We offer discussion, social groups and blogs in an open and free environment. Our free community you will have access to post topics, post blogs, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!



Go Back   PoliticalGroove Forums > Issue Forums > Economics & Finance
Share PG Forum Blogs FAQ Members List Social Groups Mark Forums Read

Sponsors
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-17-2008, 12:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
Administrator
 
DRS112's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 5,368
My Mood:
Thanks: 48
Thanked 66 Times in 48 Posts
DRS112 is a famous PG member
Bear Stearns Bailed Out

Stripped Bear
Mar 14th 2008 | NEW YORK
From Economist.com

Rescuing a Wall Street bank

AP
A CENTURY after John Pierpont Morgan bailed out Wall Street, his bank is at it again. In a dramatic move on Friday March 14th, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and JPMorgan Chase made emergency funding available to Bear Stearns after other market players lost confidence in the beleaguered investment bank as a trading partner. As the credit crunch has deepened and broadened, the worst fear of many on Wall Street has been the collapse or forced rescue of a big bank or broker. That moment is now upon them.

JPMorgan Chase is Bear’s clearing bank and will act as a conduit for Fed funding. In a special vote, the central bank’s governors chose to allow JP Morgan Chase to bring collateral from Bear, including mortgage assets, to the Fed discount window in return for 28-day loans. Bear does not have direct access to the window because it is not a depository institution. The Fed has agreed not to hold JPMorgan Chase liable for any losses on the collateral posted. The central bank has resorted to such an arrangement only twice before, in the depression of the 1930s and in the 1960s.

The meltdown at Bear, which began last summer when two of its hedge funds blew up, is a classic example of how liquidity problems and ebbing confidence can quickly turn into a solvency crisis, especially for investment banks, which are more reliant on short-term funding than commercial banks. Bear has spent much of the last year strengthening its funding structure. But in the past week doubts grew over its ability to meet its obligations. Other banks refused to step in as counterparties to Bear in credit-derivatives contracts. Bear’s boss, Alan Schwartz, admitted that his bank had struggled to dispel rumours and “parse fact from fiction”, and that its liquidity position was thus deteriorating at an alarming pace.

Bear’s shares initially jumped on news of the bail-out but crashed after the market opened on Friday. At one point, half of its market value had been wiped out—an unprecedented one-day fall for a big Wall Street firm in modern times. According to reports, clients were desperately trying to pull assets out of Bear on Friday. But the bank insisted that its capital ratios remained strong. It also said it would bring its first-quarter earnings announcement forward to March 17th.

The Fed’s concern is understandable. If it had failed to intervene on Friday, few doubt that Bear would have gone down the tubes. The timing of the move shows just how desperate the situation had become at Bear. If the bank could have held on until March 27th it would have been able to borrow directly from the central bank under a new facility announced earlier this week.

Though Bear is the smallest of the “big five” Wall Street investment banks, it is the most exposed to credit markets, particularly mortgages, relative to its size. Its larger peers can take comfort in being more diversified, but they too are largely at the mercy of short-term funding markets and the confidence of counterparties. Others will be losing sleep, too. Bear’s woes will only exacerbate worries about highly-leveraged hedge funds, an increasing number of which are finding it hard to stay afloat as their prime brokers jack up margin calls. A fund affiliated with Carlyle Group, a big private-equity firm, crashed this week.

Bear’s fate now hangs in the balance. It said on Friday that it was in talks with JPMorgan Chase over “permanent” financing, but that there could be “no assurance that any strategic alternatives will be successfully completed”—a possible reference to a takeover. And Bear was reportedly shopping itself to competitors with the help of another bank. The Fed and other regulators will work hard to ensure that Bear ends up under the wing of a stronger rival.

But would-be buyers have reason to be wary. Bear’s books are stuffed with complex “structured” mortgage-related assets, the value of which is hard to calculate. As a result, so is the value of Bear’s equity. A full-blown collapse cannot be ruled out if the value of its collateral—to whose credit risk the Fed is now exposed—continues to fall.

Ironically, the intervention came a day after Standard & Poor’s, a rating agency, said that the worst of banks’ write-downs related to subprime mortgages—Bear’s biggest weakness—may soon be over. But if the extraordinary events of the past day demonstrate anything, it is that investment banks are black boxes, and what really matters is not what sits in them but what their counterparties fear may be lurking inside. If others find themselves in Bear’s awful predicament, there will be little the Fed can do to forestall a rout


Bear Stearns | Stripped Bear | Economist.com
DRS112 is offline   Top Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2008, 04:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
Old Man Up the Road
 
Kanadesaga's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: NYS - Devil's country
Posts: 5,409
My Mood:
Blog Entries: 3
Thanks: 137
Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts
Kanadesaga is a famous PG member
Isn't this corpoarte welfare? I mean why should we bail this cocksucker out? They gambled and lost. If I lose all my money in Vegas, the government isn't going to bail me out! Why should they bail out these corporate fucks?
__________________
"Soldiers lose their voice when they enlist. My sons spoke of that before they did enlist. That that, was a reality. And the public is their voice." Mary Tillman 5/9/08
Kanadesaga is online now   Top Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2008, 05:58 AM   #3 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
anhailla's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: iowa
Posts: 3,252
Thanks: 78
Thanked 45 Times in 35 Posts
anhailla is a famous PG member
ooftaa

what the hell is the market going to do today?

these are bad times my friends..hang on to your hats.
__________________
...either I go, or that wallpaper does.

Oscar Wilde
anhailla is online now   Top Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2008, 07:04 AM   #4 (permalink)
Old Man Up the Road
 
Kanadesaga's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: NYS - Devil's country
Posts: 5,409
My Mood:
Blog Entries: 3
Thanks: 137
Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts
Kanadesaga is a famous PG member
Burn, baby, burn!
__________________
"Soldiers lose their voice when they enlist. My sons spoke of that before they did enlist. That that, was a reality. And the public is their voice." Mary Tillman 5/9/08
Kanadesaga is online now   Top Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2008, 07:16 AM   #5 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
anhailla's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: iowa
Posts: 3,252
Thanks: 78
Thanked 45 Times in 35 Posts
anhailla is a famous PG member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanadesaga View Post
Burn, baby, burn!

lol...

the problem is.... this kills the little guy, pensions-investments...zapped.

one more reason for people to roll over to cash when near retirement
__________________
...either I go, or that wallpaper does.

Oscar Wilde
anhailla is online now   Top Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2008, 07:34 AM   #6 (permalink)
Old Man Up the Road
 
Kanadesaga's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: NYS - Devil's country
Posts: 5,409
My Mood:
Blog Entries: 3
Thanks: 137
Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts
Kanadesaga is a famous PG member
Quote:
Originally Posted by anhailla View Post
lol...

the problem is.... this kills the little guy, pensions-investments...zapped.

one more reason for people to roll over to cash when near retirement
fuck 'em! shouldn't have trusted some gambling option for your retirement. At least in vegas they give you free drinks.
__________________
"Soldiers lose their voice when they enlist. My sons spoke of that before they did enlist. That that, was a reality. And the public is their voice." Mary Tillman 5/9/08
Kanadesaga is online now   Top Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2008, 07:35 AM   #7 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
anhailla's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: iowa
Posts: 3,252
Thanks: 78
Thanked 45 Times in 35 Posts
anhailla is a famous PG member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanadesaga View Post
fuck 'em! shouldn't have trusted some gambling option for your retirement. At least in vegas they give you free drinks.
this is true
__________________
...either I go, or that wallpaper does.

Oscar Wilde
anhailla is online now   Top Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2008, 07:41 AM   #8 (permalink)
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 3,382
Blog Entries: 14
Thanks: 0
Thanked 37 Times in 25 Posts
cheapseats is a famous PG member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanadesaga View Post
Isn't this corpoarte welfare?
It is outright corporate welfare.


Quote:
I mean why should we bail this cocksucker out?
Guess what I just heard...

J.P. Morgan...among the oldest of Biggest Money...is bailing them out. At $2 per share...when it was worth $70 last week...and taxpayers will cover good ol' J.P.'s back. What with him ridin' to the rescue, he oughtn't to have any risk or downside.


Quote:
They gambled and lost.
And which corporate brass is being booted out on their asses, lawsuits pending?


Quote:
If I lose all my money in Vegas, the government isn't going to bail me out!
Go West, young taxpayer. Spend, spend...be a patriot...do your bit for the economy.


Quote:
Why should they bail out these corporate fucks?
Can we PLEASE bail out Detroit again. Saw a car add on TV the other day...Mercury, I think. A new SUV...you need it. No money down, no closing costs, no something else...just three ZERO's splayed across the bottom.

Yippee! Hooray! All you sour pusses take heart! There IS such a thing as a free lunch.

We have learned NOTHING.
__________________
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
*©2008 Implausible Endeavors LLC
ImplausibleEndeavors.com
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
cheapseats is offline   Top Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2008, 07:42 AM   #9 (permalink)
Old Man Up the Road
 
Kanadesaga's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: NYS - Devil's country
Posts: 5,409
My Mood:
Blog Entries: 3
Thanks: 137
Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts
Kanadesaga is a famous PG member
Quote:
Originally Posted by anhailla View Post
this is true
I don't mean to sound cruel. But it is gambling. If I told you I was planning on the lottery for retirement you'd say I was crazy, and I would be. well the stock market is just as much a gamble. Only thing is the CEOs and COO and CFOs all walk away with millions in golden parachutes and mom and pop get the shaft.
__________________
"Soldiers lose their voice when they enlist. My sons spoke of that before they did enlist. That that, was a reality. And the public is their voice." Mary Tillman 5/9/08
Kanadesaga is online now   Top Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2008, 07:45 AM   #10 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
anhailla's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: iowa
Posts: 3,252
Thanks: 78
Thanked 45 Times in 35 Posts
anhailla is a famous PG member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanadesaga View Post
I don't mean to sound cruel. But it is gambling. If I told you I was planning on the lottery for retirement you'd say I was crazy, and I would be. well the stock market is just as much a gamble. Only thing is the CEOs and COO and CFOs all walk away with millions in golden parachutes and mom and pop get the shaft.
no worries
__________________
...either I go, or that wallpaper does.

Oscar Wilde
anhailla is online now   Top Reply With Quote
Reply

Sponsors

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:42 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC8
PoliticalGroove.com is in no way affiliated with Viacom - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart or HBO - Real Time with Bill Maher