bornright

There are economic problems in this country but who is really to blame?

The price of gas is moving up very rapidly and many are blaming Bush. We forget that he recommended drilling in Alaska and off the coast. The democrats in Congress blocked this even though the people in Alaska wanted to drill. How could anyone blame Bush for this foolish choice not to drill which causes us to be more dependent on foriegn oil.

President Bush has recommended that this nation move toward alternate fuel. He recommended that corn not be used for the making of ethanol. We immediately started producing ethanol with the use of corn which is a very poor and expensive way to produce ethanol. Gasoline with ethanol is just as high if not higher than just gasoline. If you think that gasoline you put in your car is expensive wait until you see what your food will soon cost because of the use of corn which is what the president warned us of. Other problems in this country will seem small. Expect all meat products to jump very quickly. You vegetarians will not escape as this high demand for corn will affect what farmers plant. Shortages cause higher prices for those that are not aware of it.

Titanium Cat

As has been said before, ANWR represents only a relatively small amount of oil (maybe about 10.4 BBL). By the time it was developed and producing at maximum capacity it would have little or no effect on the price of oil which is the primary reason that gasoline prices rising.

What are you talking about, only 2 years ago Bush was strongly backing ethanol produced from corn. And newer cellulose based ethanol is still years away from significant production levels. It won't be a magic bullet in reducing oil consumption.

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bornright

There are many that claim otherwise. Let them drill.

You are incorrect as he has critized using corn from the beginning. Listen to his speeches not what the media says he said.

neptune

You're believing your own spin, Tex.

ANWR oil is just a small small fraction -- wouldn't make a dent in the supply enough to affect the price (much).

You apparently are ignoring the 30-40% "security tax" the disasterous US Middle East policy (endless war) has imposed.

Try this on for size -- the Bush tax breaks for gazillionaires and the unpaid for wars have bankrupted our grandchildren. And then, there is the wholesale looting of the Treasury by no-bid contracts, and policies like MEdicare drug benefit, etc, etc...

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Titanium Cat

And they would be lying. It would take 10 years before the oil started flowing from ANWR and by then it would amount to maybe around 4% of US imports. Compared to global oil production it would only add a tiny amount to the supply, not enough to significantly reduce prices.

You are, not surprisingly, sadly mistaken. It is you who should listen to his speeches.

Bush Delivers Speech on Renewable Fuel Sources - washingtonpost.com

Doesn't sound too critical to me. The push to cellulose ethanol is the new fad but as I said it is years away from significant production.

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cheapseats

I am told that using corn for ethanol is completely inefficient, and that it has tripled the price of corn...the corn they plant, the corn we eat, and the corn that the animals we eat eat.

And shock of shockers, soaring food prices.

Who IS driving the use of corn in ethanol?

Who is benefiting?

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bornright

50 lbs of treated seed corn is $200.00

bornright

Nobody is requesting you invest your money in drilling in Alaska. There are many willing to do it. Let them invest their money as they are convinced there is enough oil to make a difference.

In a speech President Bush gave on March 20, 2007 on Energy Intiatives at the Ford Motor Company, Kansas City Assembly Plant Claycomo, Missouri. He has given this speech numerous times.

And here in the Midwest you have seen a boom in ethanol production and ethanol usage. And the reason why is, is that corn-based ethanol is leading an amazing change in the country. We consume about 5 billion gallons of ethanol right now in America. That's up nearly fivefold in a relatively quick period of time. The problem we face is that right now the most efficient way to make ethanol is through the use of corn -- and that's fine if you're a corn grower, but it's not fine if you're a hog raiser, because that price of corn is beginning to affect the people who are raising hogs. And I understand that. That's why we're spending a fair amount of money on developing new types of technology that will enable us to use something besides corn to make ethanol -- whether it be switchgrasses, or agricultural refuse, or wood chips.

Sean

I blame the dumbasses who voted for Dumbya.

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I am a big fan of science Friday on NPR and yesterday they had a very interesting segment about biofuels. At university of Michigan they have created a cellulose based biofuel extracting a enzyme from a cows second stomach and genetically planting it in corn, in the vacuole (the cell's garbage can) which at harvest time fills up and converts it into alchaole, the big deal about this is that fuels can be made from stalks, the other parts of the plant! This is huge! Here is the link.

Science Friday Archives: Biofuels Research Roundup

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